Burmester Gear Demo

[Still-One]

Welcome Wayneker

It is possible the B80's might like a larger room. I assume they need to be at least 3 feet from the wall and you really do not want your seating position with your head against the opposite wall. That doesn't leave much distance between your chair and the front of the speakers. That might make them seem in your face and lack some depth to the sound.

That is some nice gear you have.

Jim

[Masterlu]

wayneker... Welcome!

[wayneker]

thank you for such a welcome.

Yes, I definitely need a bigger room. I only have 9 feet of depth to work with. The speakers are pretty much against the wall and my head is also pretty much against the back wall that's floor to ceiling glasses! lol

I can see my system is not even close to performing their best in this situation. However, I am still a happy man!

I was hooked on burmester the very first time I audition it with other brands like esoteric, Jeff Rowland, Accuphase, and etc. The burmester's glorious glow on the top end gave me the goosebumps. Nothing else sounded as good. It just seems to brighten the room and my mood. I just had to get it. Unfortunately, when I gotten the 051 and 061 4 years ago, I couldn't burmester speakers.

..... I ended up getting Usher CP777 Be. After reading so many good reviews on Ushers, especially the Be 10 and Be 20, I decided to get the usher. They are made in Taiwan, my home. You guys wouldn't believe the price we get here in Taiwan for those speakers. A fraction of how much it cost in the US. My brother just got the Be10 and from what I remembered, it's about 15k in the US. He got it for 6000! Anyways, my CP777 was pretty good with Burmester. The bass was unbelievable for this speaker.

Anyways, I am still very very satisfied with B80. Electronics comes and goes, I think a good pair of speakers will always outlast the electronics. They are a keeper for the long haul..... unless.... well.... I have a lot more money! Then everything has to go and I will be getting the reference line from Burmester.

Just so you know..... I have heard 088, 089, 911mks dual mono with B80 and 077, 069 and 909 with B100 at a audio show in Taiwan........ Let me just say... a full reference line from burmester is light years ahead of a full top line. I couldn't believe my ears on how much improvement there is when stepped up to a full reference line.

In HK, I also auditioned 089 and 069, both hooked up directly to 911 mk3 driving Sonus Faber Amati Futura. This was the only time that I had the chance to see the difference between 089 and 069 while keeping everything else the same. This other guy and me were both speechless after only switch the 089 to 069. We were not expecting the difference to be that big!

So much more opened, so much more air, so much more depth, so much ambience, and so so so much more sweeter. I felt that I wasn't listening to music.... I felt my whole being was literally suspended in music!

BTW.... I also got a knocked off burmester V5 rack for US$250! That rack, although a fake burmester, weights 30kg!

[Rocco]

Congratulations Wayneker .

[joeinid]

Originally Posted by wayneker

thank you for such a welcome.

Yes, I definitely need a bigger room. I only have 9 feet of depth to work with. The speakers are pretty much against the wall and my head is also pretty much against the back wall that's floor to ceiling glasses! lol

I can see my system is not even close to performing their best in this situation. However, I am still a happy man!

I was hooked on burmester the very first time I audition it with other brands like esoteric, Jeff Rowland, Accuphase, and etc. The burmester's glorious glow on the top end gave me the goosebumps. Nothing else sounded as good. It just seems to brighten the room and my mood. I just had to get it. Unfortunately, when I gotten the 051 and 061 4 years ago, I couldn't burmester speakers.

..... I ended up getting Usher CP777 Be. After reading so many good reviews on Ushers, especially the Be 10 and Be 20, I decided to get the usher. They are made in Taiwan, my home. You guys wouldn't believe the price we get here in Taiwan for those speakers. A fraction of how much it cost in the US. My brother just got the Be10 and from what I remembered, it's about 15k in the US. He got it for 6000! Anyways, my CP777 was pretty good with Burmester. The bass was unbelievable for this speaker.

Anyways, I am still very very satisfied with B80. Electronics comes and goes, I think a good pair of speakers will always outlast the electronics. They are a keeper for the long haul..... unless.... well.... I have a lot more money! Then everything has to go and I will be getting the reference line from Burmester.

Just so you know..... I have heard 088, 089, 911mks dual mono with B80 and 077, 069 and 909 with B100 at a audio show in Taiwan........ Let me just say... a full reference line from burmester is light years ahead of a full top line. I couldn't believe my ears on how much improvement there is when stepped up to a full reference line.

In HK, I also auditioned 089 and 069, both hooked up directly to 911 mk3 driving Sonus Faber Amati Futura. This was the only time that I had the chance to see the difference between 089 and 069 while keeping everything else the same. This other guy and me were both speechless after only switch the 089 to 069. We were not expecting the difference to be that big!

So much more opened, so much more air, so much more depth, so much ambience, and so so so much more sweeter. I felt that I wasn't listening to music.... I felt my whole being was literally suspended in music!
BTW.... I also got a knocked off burmester V5 rack for US$250! That rack, although a fake burmester, weights 30kg!

Thanks wayneker,

We appreciate your input. How do you feel the 069 hooked directly to the amp sounds as compared to using a preamp between the 069 and 911? I have an 077 with ext. power supply that I'm thinking about selling to get the 069 and I only have one real source. Tho 077 is over kill for me and I really like the idea of the 069 and plugging in one more device through it. Do you feel the preamp section of the 069 is more than adequate? How do you think it would compare to the 077 preamp?

Thanks!

Joe

[Rocco]

Originally Posted by joeinid

Thanks wayneker,

We appreciate your input. I finally can talk to someone who's compared the 089/069. How do you feel the 069 hooked directly to the amp sounds as compared to using a preamp between the 069 and 911? I have an 077 with ext. power supply that I'm thinking about selling to get the 069 and I only have one real source. Tho 077 is over kill for me and I really like the idea of the 069 and plugging in one more device through it. Do you feel the preamp section of the 069 is more than adequate? How do you think it would compare to the 077 preamp?

Thanks!

Joe

Hi Joe.

I compare A/B the 069's hooked directly to the 911's monos and then the combo 077 (version without PSU) + 069's. The preamp of 069's is excellent, but when I add the 077 the sound improved a lot. If you get the 069's I suggest to keep your 077's.

[joeinid]

Originally Posted by Rocco

Hi Joe.

I compare A/B the 069's hooked directly to the 911's monos and then the combo 077 (version without PSU) + 069's. The preamp of 069's is excellent, but when I add the 077 the sound improved a lot. If you get the 069's I suggest to keep your 077's.

Hi Rocco,

I forgot you compared them all. I was afraid you would say that. Thank you very much Rocco. Now I will have to wait until next year before I can even think about the 069

Do you feel the 069 with external power supply is the way to go or will the version without ext. power supply be good enough?

Joe

[Rocco]

Originally Posted by joeinid

Hi Rocco,

I forgot you compared them all. I was afraid you would say that. Thank you very much Rocco. Now I will have to wait until next year before I can even think about the 069

Do you feel the 069 with external power supply is the way to go or will the version without ext. power supply be good enough?

Joe

Hi Joe.

I never listen the 069's integrated version. Surely there is a difference in sound. If your choice is the best source without compromise, I suggest to point out directly the 069 with PSU Reference Line. With your 077 you will create a very impressive combo.

[joeinid]

Thanks Rocco!

I always appreciate your opinion, I know you have excellent taste.

Joe

[wayneker]

Joe

I think your question about 069 and 077 boils down to "how good is good enough" for you and how much you appreciate the incremental pleasure it brings you. If you want the absolute best, go all out! I will Give my own personal input.

1. 069 with or without 077

I have to say that 069 by itself without 077 is excellent. Good enough for me. However, with 077, the improvement is also very, not only noticeable but also major. A lot more authority, regal, holographic, just alot more of burmester's goodness!

This is what I originally want since 077 has surround thru which allows me to use my burmester gear for movies. However, after moving to HK, like you, I only have digital sources.... So it really is a waste to have a 077 with only one source. However, if I have enough money, I would still get both.

2. 069 with or without power supply

Like Rocco said, if you want the best, get the psu. I have not audition the one with integrated power supply though. What I can offer you is what the burmester engineer and taiwan's burmester distributor (not dealer) told me.

What they said were..... If your room has very good room acoustic, you will hear a lot more refinement. That means a decent size room, too! If not, the integrated version is excellent. It's more room dependent than anything else. The other major determining factor is..... The rest of your setup is also top notch. ie if you have bookshelf/not so good speakers or any other lower quality gear in the chain, the difference you hear on a 069 with external psu would be minimal. So, if you have a top notch rig and a large room with good acoustic properties, 069 with external power supply is the way to go.