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Old 01-11-2017, 08:55 PM
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Hi Lassej,

The Delta Pre is a new design. New analog circuit path, new power supply, new dac, etc. Details will be available in due course.

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Thanks! I wonder if the sound quality is improved or if it's "just" updated with new features?
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Old 01-13-2017, 05:30 PM
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Hi Lassej,

The Delta Pre is a new design. New analog circuit path, new power supply, new dac, etc. Details will be available in due course.

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Patrick
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Nice! Thanks Patrick. I will order one as soon is available!

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I am also in the market for a new preamp to replace my Sonic Frontiers, made in Canada, Line 3 + Phono 1 + Processor 3.
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Hi Patrick: Another one I forgot is some shelving options for filters. The previous response for this was that they are not appropriate for room correction, but I would say, they can quite useful when integrating subs.
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Would be nice to see a Classe Pre without DAC like the CP700 which was a keeper.
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I don't understand that the creator of this thread mentions an issue with his SSP-800 and the subwoofer output creating a bump when turning off. I don't have any issues in that regards and have never heard others have it.
Could be that his sub if faulty. Normally there should be a capacitor that would prevent spikes but maybe his is getting old and loosing its value.
In any case I don't think the problem is with your SSP.
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I don't understand that the creator of this thread mentions an issue with his SSP-800 and the subwoofer output creating a bump when turning off. I don't have any issues in that regards and have never heard others have it.
Could be that his sub if faulty. Normally there should be a capacitor that would prevent spikes but maybe his is getting old and loosing its value.
In any case I don't think the problem is with your SSP.
Nice for you that you don't experience this with your SSP-800 setup. However, my preamp is a CP-800, not an SSP-800. The thumps were not there with other equipment. So maybe there's room for improvement in the new Delta preamp.

Regarding improvements to sub circuitry, of more importance would be adding sub level controls and timing adjustments relative to the main speakers. It's puzzling that they aren't features of the CP-800.
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Would be nice to see a Classe Pre without DAC like the CP700 which was a keeper.
I can understand that view, though I don't share it, as I use the features in the CP-800. They make sense to combine with a DAC: bass management is a big plus, and IMO that's best done digitally. Once you have digital processing, a DAC is necessity.

From a business point of view, it seems to me that the preamp category is in danger of extinction by the DAC category, except where price is no object. Most new DACs have volume controls and multiple inputs. Some have analog inputs, and the Mytek Brooklyn now has a phono stage. So if DACs are becoming preamps, how can a preamp compete without adding features?

As an example of the alternative: I also like Bryston gear, but consider the stack of stuff one would need to equal the functionality of the CP-800. A streamer, a DAC, a preamp, and a crossover. Cables. And one still wouldn't have the PEQ to reduce the effects of room nodes. Though I'm glad to hear the Delta preamp is being refreshed -- one hopes with a little more refinement in some areas -- I think Classé is combining compatible components into something that, though hardly cheap, gives a great deal of value in a practical sense.
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Nice for you that you don't experience this with your SSP-800 setup. However, my preamp is a CP-800, not an SSP-800.
Sorry, my mistake. I did mean the CP-800. In any case I have both without issues. However I do have quite extensive power filtration in front of the CP & SSP. One thing I really learned from experience and that regret that Classė removed on he CP and all newer Delta models is the ability to see if the unit is correctly phased meaning turned the correct way in the power socket.
If your sub is turned 180 then you will experience spikes for sure.

I do however think that output level on the CP is much much higher than compared to the "old" generation. So maybe an autonator dampening the signal say 7-10 db will also help. Or you could try to lower the output signal via the menu and see if it will have an effect.
Anyway just wanted to help.
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Sorry, my mistake. I did mean the CP-800. In any case I have both without issues. However I do have quite extensive power filtration in front of the CP & SSP. One thing I really learned from experience and that regret that Classė removed on he CP and all newer Delta models is the ability to see if the unit is correctly phased meaning turned the correct way in the power socket. If your sub is turned 180 then you will experience spikes for sure.

I do however think that output level on the CP is much much higher than compared to the "old" generation. So maybe an autonator dampening the signal say 7-10 db will also help. Or you could try to lower the output signal via the menu and see if it will have an effect.
Anyway just wanted to help.
Thanks for the clarification and new thoughts. Much appreciated.

Because all the gear has grounded, polarized outlets, I don't think anything is plugged in with reversed AC polarity. However, the CP-800 is going through a Furman power filter, while the subs are plugged into the wall directly.

I'll try turning the volume down or muting the unit before switching to standby. In any case, the thump really is only an annoyance, not a problem.
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