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Over the past decade, the animal-agriculture industry has been behind the introduction of "ag-gag" bills in more than half of all state legislatures across the country. These dangerous bills are designed to silence whistleblowers revealing animal abuses on industrial farms. Ag-gag laws currently exist in seven states, penalizing whistleblowers who investigate the day-to-day activities of industrial farms, including the recording, possession or distribution of photos, video and/or audio at a farm.

Trust me, you don't want to eat the non organic chickens... Not when they are raised in such manners that their bones are like rubber, they can't stand up, they have feathers falling out, they are raised 3x faster than a normal chicken grows.... It ain't going to end well people.



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Lets stay on the "glyphosate" topic and U.S. PIRG's agenda

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Lets stay on the "glyphosate" topic and U.S. PIRG's agenda

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Sorry for the detour to the other very large problem of what we ingest.

Back to Glyphosate...

Glyphosate is a small compound that has been sold as the active ingredient in herbicide formulations since 1974. It is marketed as having no effect in animals because it is designed to specifically inhibit an enzymatic pathway required for protein synthesis—and thereby, growth—unique to plants.

Over the years, regulatory agencies have evaluated its potential effects on non-target organisms. However, recent assessments seem to be focused on carcinogenicity and genotoxicity of glyphosate, notes Deborah Kurrasch, a neuroscientist at the University of Calgary. Within the past decade, she says, evidence started to accumulate in the scientific literature that it might have other toxic effects. “There’s a lot of systems beside cancer” that can be affected, she says.

Kurrasch, whose research is funded by the Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada, began to look into glyphosate several years ago, and was surprised by how few studies there were in the literature. “There was very little for a chemical that we’re all exposed to,” she recounts, adding that there is still little known about its mechanism of action in model systems.
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A problem for scientists investigating the physiological activities of pesticides is that herbicide-producing giants including Monsanto, Roundup’s developer, or Syngenta, which produces the glyphosate-containing herbicide Touchdown, aren’t required to make their full ingredients lists public.
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There are concerns about how much glyphosate we might be eating. Some crops have been genetically modified to be tolerant to glyphosate and therefore are sprayed to eliminate weeds growing in their midst. “And because of that, these crops . . . accumulate glyphosate in very high concentrations inside the plants,” Félix Carvalho, a toxicologist from Portugal’s University of Porto and secretary general of the European toxicologist organization Eurotox, writes to The Scientist in an email. “There is evidence that we are being exposed to increasing doses of glyphosate and other compounds of the herbicide formulation over the years. Such exposure is potentially deleterious.”
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According to linkedin, William Reeves began working for Bayer 12 years ago - 22 years after the HIV tainted blood coagulant debacle.

Therefore I think it unfair to necessarily condemn all subsequent research output solely on the basis alone of coming from Bayer and whatever decisions were made 1985 must be viewed within the context of the time.

It should also be pointed out Bayer was under contractual obligation to supply the medication to certain countries at a set price and some patients were concerned about the efficacy of the newer heat treated version. So there is more to the story than the "agenda-driven" camps of the press would leave one to believe, which nowadays, has increasingly become the norm rather than the exception.
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While the toxicological results of being exposed to ever increasing amount of toxins we are drinking, ingesting and coming in contact with on a daily basis will continue to be hotly debated, with the big corporations doing their best to buy, sway, sue, lie, cheat, etc, another words doing everything in their power to protect their bottom line and make the share holder happy, we will go on being the guinea pigs.

One would think in the modern world diseases and deaths would be decreasing overall due to modern technology and pharmacology but it seems to be just the opposite.

Then again when McDonald brothers opened their first restaurant, in their wildest dreams they could not have imagined using same chemicals as mattress fillers in their buns or pink slime instead of beef. Pink slime is all that other meat by product that is being ground up, washed in ammonia and served up to our kids at your local McDonalds and other fast food restaurants. Yep, the FDA is A OK with that.....

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According to linkedin, William Reeves began working for Bayer 12 years ago - 22 years after the HIV tainted blood coagulant debacle.

Therefore I think it unfair to necessarily condemn all subsequent research output solely on the basis alone of coming from Bayer and whatever decisions were made 1985 must be viewed within the context of the time.

It should also be pointed out Bayer was under contractual obligation to supply the medication to certain countries at a set price and some patients were concerned about the efficacy of the newer heat treated version. So there is more to the story than the "agenda-driven" camps of the press would leave one to believe, which nowadays, has increasingly become the norm rather than the exception.
I'm going to ignore your comment. Sorry. I do not see how knowingly exposing innocent people to HIV virus can ever be justified.
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Sorry. I do not see how knowingly exposing innocent people to HIV virus can ever be justified.
I wasn't there so I'm not in a position to judge what they knew at the time about the severity of the issue, nor all the other circumstances surrounding the case. Neither were you. Not justifying what they did - and if they were truly as reckless as being alleged, shame on them.

Regardless, it is clear that there are many who salivate at the chance to rush to judgement, especially whenever & wherever a major player is concerned.
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I wasn't there so I'm not in a position to judge what they knew at the time about the severity of the issue, nor all the other circumstances surrounding the case. Neither were you. Not justifying what they did - and if they were truly as reckless as being alleged, shame on them.

Regardless, it is clear that there are many who salivate at the chance to rush to judgement, especially whenever & wherever a major player is concerned.
Yep, WWI, WWII, HIV, GMO, Toxic weed killers. Great track record between those two. They will make a great conglomerate and why taint such a perfect record?

The most powerful German economic corporate emporium in the first half of this century was the Interessengemeinschaft Farben or IG Farben, for short. Interessengemeinschaft stands for “Association of Common Interests” and was nothing more than a powerful cartel of BASF, Bayer, Hoechst, and other German chemical and pharmaceutical companies. IG Farben was the single largest donor to the election campaign of Adolph Hitler. One year before Hitler seized power, IG Farben donated 400,000 marks to Hitler and his Nazi party. Accordingly, after Hitler’s seizure of power, IG Farben was the single largest profiteer of the German conquest of the world, the Second World War.

During World War II, IG Farben established a synthetic oil and rubber plant at Auschwitz in order to take advantage of slave labour; the company also conducted drug experiments on live inmates. After the war several company officials were convicted of war crimes (nine being found guilty of plunder and spoliation of property in occupied territory and four being found guilty of imposing slave labour and inhumane treatment on civilians and prisoners of war).

Their tactics, while "evolved", may very well ring the same way in the future looking back to today.
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