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Old 02-22-2019, 03:41 PM
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If you looking to buy a blueray dvd player, today...what would you buy?
With technology quickly outdating/outperforming more expensive previous models?

Is the Oppo BDP-105D still a benchmark player or are there newer models, for less money, that are just as good?

I do like the idea of xlr outputs and the d/a converters used in the Oppo, because:
DVD will be for bedroom system. C2200C, MC1201's, B&W 802D's
TV is new 4k 75" Samsung Q8F

Also in the system are MV861 and MCD205.


There are a few used Oppo BDP-105D players on Ebay $845-$870 ???


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Old 02-22-2019, 03:53 PM
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Oppo BDP-105 or Oppo BDP-105D?

Much of a difference?
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Old 02-22-2019, 05:31 PM
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I have the 105D version. It has better video than the non D version.
However neither the 105 or 105D will do 4K.

Oppo’s 4K players are the 203 and 205. But Oppo no longer makes players. The 205 has XLR outputs. Not sure about the 203. You can find them in the used market but you will have to pay $$$$ for them.
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Oppo BDP-105 or Oppo BDP-105D?

Much of a difference?
BDP-105 is a (fullHD) BluRay/Universal player with audio and video streaming capabilities and is compatible with UPNP/DLNA, SACD/DVDAudio/PureAudioBluRay/CD/DVD/BluRay and can upscale all video to UHD resolution but not play UHD BluRay. It is also a DAC using a respectable (but IMHO merely OK) SABRE32 9018 chip - with optical/coax/USB inputs and 7.1 analog RCA outputs and a set of stereo XLR balanced outputs.

BDP-105D adds the "Darbee" chip which improves video scaling/color, but for audiophiles, it also adds DSD over USB compatibility (the regular 105 only plays PCM over USB).

Sound quality wise - not much of a difference IMHO. But ability to play DSD over USB is a worthwhile upgrade if you are using it as a DAC.

In case you aren't aware...
a. Oppo is no longer in the audio/video business of building BluRay players (the parent company still makes mobile phones)

b. The 105/105D was superseded by the UDP-205 which IMHO is a very major upgrade. The 205 is also a universal player but now plays UHD BluRay discs as well. The DAC is a much much much better SABRE32 9038PRO - and streaming support now extends to Roon (Roon as a Transport) over Ethernet. It also supports MQA Hires decoding over USB. But because Oppo suspended that side of the business, the resale market for the 205 has gone nuts. In part because there is no clear replacement for the 205.

You have the choice between:
1. the Panasonic UB-9000 which is a UHD/BluRay player (plays CD/DVDs) but not SACD/DVD Audio, has IMHO the better AKM4493 DAC (which I prefer over the 9038) and has multichannel analog RCA 7.1 outputs and XLR stereo outputs. Audio streaming is supported via UPNP/DLNA.

2. the Pioneer LX500/LX800.

The LX500 is cheaper, and is a universal player like the Oppo 205 (playing UHD BD, FullHD BD, SACD, DVDA, DVD, CD) but doesn't have multichannel analog outputs like the 205/Panasonic 9000 nor does it have balanced XLR outputs. Streaming is supported over UPNP/DLNA


The LX800 is more expensive and adds balanced outputs BUT uses IMHO an inferior SABRE32 9028 chipset. But this is the same chipset used in Pioneer's standalone music streamer which is also highly regarded.

Hope this helps.

For my money, if I just want a good FullHD and UHD BluRay/DVD player, I would just get the cheap Panasonic UB820. The video processing is top notch (same as the UB9000) and I love how it makes my Sony 760ES projector, which doesn't have the same nits brightness as my LG OLED or Sony FALD LED LCD TV look as balanced as those flat panel displays, especially with Dolby Vision titles (which I have found looks worse on non Dolby Vision compatible displays).

It is also compatible with every known format to date (as of late Feb 2019) including
HDR10
HDR10+
HLG
Dolby Vision
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Old 02-22-2019, 08:30 PM
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Great post Doogie!

My money if at a decent price is the Oppo 205
I owner a 95, passed on the 105, have had 2 pioneer and 2 sonys, not even in the same league as the Oppo. sad they should keep in production. my 2 cents
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What's the deal with the Panasonic UB-9000?
Where would you buy one from?
I see nothing from Google search?
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BDP-105 is a (fullHD) BluRay/Universal player with audio and video streaming capabilities and is compatible with UPNP/DLNA, SACD/DVDAudio/PureAudioBluRay/CD/DVD/BluRay and can upscale all video to UHD resolution but not play UHD BluRay. It is also a DAC using a respectable (but IMHO merely OK) SABRE32 9018 chip - with optical/coax/USB inputs and 7.1 analog RCA outputs and a set of stereo XLR balanced outputs.

BDP-105D adds the "Darbee" chip which improves video scaling/color, but for audiophiles, it also adds DSD over USB compatibility (the regular 105 only plays PCM over USB).

Sound quality wise - not much of a difference IMHO. But ability to play DSD over USB is a worthwhile upgrade if you are using it as a DAC.

In case you aren't aware...
a. Oppo is no longer in the audio/video business of building BluRay players (the parent company still makes mobile phones)

b. The 105/105D was superseded by the UDP-205 which IMHO is a very major upgrade. The 205 is also a universal player but now plays UHD BluRay discs as well. The DAC is a much much much better SABRE32 9038PRO - and streaming support now extends to Roon (Roon as a Transport) over Ethernet. It also supports MQA Hires decoding over USB. But because Oppo suspended that side of the business, the resale market for the 205 has gone nuts. In part because there is no clear replacement for the 205.

You have the choice between:
1. the Panasonic UB-9000 which is a UHD/BluRay player (plays CD/DVDs) but not SACD/DVD Audio, has IMHO the better AKM4493 DAC (which I prefer over the 9038) and has multichannel analog RCA 7.1 outputs and XLR stereo outputs. Audio streaming is supported via UPNP/DLNA.

2. the Pioneer LX500/LX800.

The LX500 is cheaper, and is a universal player like the Oppo 205 (playing UHD BD, FullHD BD, SACD, DVDA, DVD, CD) but doesn't have multichannel analog outputs like the 205/Panasonic 9000 nor does it have balanced XLR outputs. Streaming is supported over UPNP/DLNA


The LX800 is more expensive and adds balanced outputs BUT uses IMHO an inferior SABRE32 9028 chipset. But this is the same chipset used in Pioneer's standalone music streamer which is also highly regarded.

Hope this helps.

For my money, if I just want a good FullHD and UHD BluRay/DVD player, I would just get the cheap Panasonic UB820. The video processing is top notch (same as the UB9000) and I love how it makes my Sony 760ES projector, which doesn't have the same nits brightness as my LG OLED or Sony FALD LED LCD TV look as balanced as those flat panel displays, especially with Dolby Vision titles (which I have found looks worse on non Dolby Vision compatible displays).

It is also compatible with every known format to date (as of late Feb 2019) including
HDR10
HDR10+
HLG
Dolby Vision

Thank you, very useful info.
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Hi Ivan, Darryl here.
The first post was done, I didn't see it in New Posts.
My subscription had expired, I renewed...did another post.
Still didn't see second post, under New Posts. Then I used the drop-down and selected Today's Posts and saw both.. Maybe I need to check my settings?
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What's the deal with the Panasonic UB-9000?
Where would you buy one from?
I see nothing from Google search?
Interesting - Panasonic has virtually zero presence in the US for the AV range. Not even their highly respected OLED TVs.

https://www.lifewire.com/panasonic-s...market-4055689
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