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Old 10-13-2017, 02:38 PM
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That’s actually the point. Once a system gets to the level that Ivan and many others have, you can hear EVERYTHING. That’s when you can hear the differences in power cords, interconnects, vibration control devices, etc. In my experience, quality power DELIVERY is essential. One must think in terms of maximizing the entire circuit feeding your stereo .... at least as much as you can do within reason .... such as multiple 20 amp dedicated lines with 10 gauge wire, upgrade outlets (i like Furutech), Power conditioner/distributor/regenerator, and then power cords. Do everything and if you can’t hear the difference well frankly you are in the wrong hobby.
We nearly have identical systems and I'm unable to hear any differences between cables.
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Old 10-13-2017, 02:42 PM
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We nearly have identical systems and I'm unable to hear any differences between cables.


You would at my house. Maybe I have better, cleaner power at my residence. Metropolitan versus much smaller town with my power transformer right in my backyard. Who knows. Lots of variables. My 60 year old father in law who has fired rifles his whole life fell out of chair at the difference in Norah Jones voice switching power cords to amp only, this was years ago, with a MC402. My point is it’s easy to hear in some systems, some environments. My same amps sound like absolute garbage in my local Magnolia Best Buy as does everything else. I always believed places like that suck sonically in part due to bad power delivery.
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You would at my house. Maybe I have better, cleaner power at my residence. Metropolitan versus much smaller town with my power transformer right in my backyard. Who knows. Lots of variables. My 60 year old father in law who has fired rifles his whole life fell out of chair at the difference in Norah Jones voice switching power cords to amp only, this was years ago, with a MC402. My point is it’s easy to hear in some systems, some environments.
I live in a small town as well. I use the P5 which should be my own little power generator. It takes in about 2% THD and outputs 0.1% THD. Should be clean as a whistle.
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Old 10-13-2017, 04:12 PM
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I'm 20 years older than you and that's probably why people like me get sucked into this hype. We can't hear all of the things we used to and want desperately to find that magic device that can turn back the hearing clock.
I’m 61 and I have successfully turned back my hearing clock.
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Old 10-13-2017, 04:14 PM
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I recently replaced the power cord on my AQ Niagara 5000 with a MagicPower 10ga, 20A cable from Signal Cable. I could not detect any difference from the AQ Hurricane which is, supposedly, matched to the Niagara but which could not be physically accommodated in my setup. The construction of the MagicPower cord is impressive.
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Old 10-13-2017, 04:54 PM
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Take a look at it from their point of view. Power cables have the biggest margins in the entire audio industry. Lots of money to be made. Literally no evidence to back it up besides "your ears."
Yep. I've installed 20 amp circuits, but how much more control can you have over the power considering there are very long cables constructed by the local power companies that you have no control over? The power cable from socket to the device is a tiny fraction of length compared to the cables from your hydro company.

Maybe by going solar and installing our own power supplies/cables we'll be able to influence this some more.
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Yep. I've installed 20 amp circuits, but how much more control can you have over the power considering there are very long cables constructed by the local power companies that you have no control over? The power cable from socket to the device is a tiny fraction of length compared to the cables from your hydro company.

Maybe by going solar and installing our own power supplies/cables we'll be able to influence this some more.
One can view it as the first or last 10m. That is why I opted to use the P5 and regenerate my own power locally, then let it ride across my high-quality DIY cables. That way the first or last 10m argument has been removed completely.
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Once again, regardless of the length of the grid to ones house; it's not the last 3 feet of that power grid cabling -- but the first 3 feet of power that your equipment sees.

I'll bow out and pray tell this doesn't erupt into a power thread with the antichrist types. Give it a rest boys.

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Once again, regardless of the length of the grid to ones house; it's not the last 3 feet of that power grid cabling -- but the first 3 feet of power that your equipment sees.

I'll bow out and pray tell this doesn't erupt into a power thread with the antichrist types. Give it a rest boys.

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Bob, the debate will NEVER end and to that I would love to see a DBT, real world test conducted here @ AA. Perhaps Ivan would volunteer one of his rooms, done correctly in a controlled environment to see , more importantly 'hear' the differences !
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Once again, regardless of the length of the grid to ones house; it's not the last 3 feet of that power grid cabling -- but the first 3 feet of power that your equipment sees.

I'll bow out and pray tell this doesn't erupt into a power thread with the antichrist types. Give it a rest boys.

Thanks

Best Sir,

Bob
Bob,

We are just here sharing our experiences. There are many people on both sides of the fence and I respect everyone. However, I don't think it's fair to tell others that you disagree with to "give it a rest." This forum is all about sharing.

I knew that the "first" vs "last" feet of power argument would come up. That's why I shared that I use a P5 power regenerator, and everything to my equipment is high-end audio cable.
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