Q3 vs S5

Originally Posted by TOGA

David, may be my bad English.
I meant that showroom may already use good sockets such as R1 or FTD20, but I said that it's a $5 whote sockets. So if they used good ones, then I am sorry.
most audiophiles judges sound of Magico from showroom or hotel shows, I just tried to point out that, a cheap sockets can make Magico sound the way they hate. because Magico never hide that harshness from cheap sockets.
Toga

Hi Toga, i'm with you now! Having read up on how critical the metallurgy of not only the pc from wall to conditioner, but the twin wpo's themselves is, I couldn't agree more. I further agree it is doing a disservice to any customer auditioning S5's or Q3's to connect any power cable to a $5 Home Depot outlet. Rubbish in, rubbish out as they say

[The Sandman]

Originally Posted by jazzman

I would easily recommend Q3 over S5, at least on Jazz and classical: more transparent, more neutral bass.
the same way I would recommend Q1 over S1 (quite normal given the price difference, and I own both).
If I would listen much more Rock, electronic and pop music, I may prefer S5 over Q3.
I would never put a sub on a Q3- at least I have not heard a sub which is good enough to match the level of the Q3, or the S5 (tried to play with my two Fathom and the Q1, no thanks). Only sub which (in theory) may make me change my mind are the new Magico Qsub-15 and Qsub-18, but I have not heard them yet.

Which brand of crossover did you use with the S5/Q3 and Fathoms and what crossover frequency?

[MyPal]

Originally Posted by jazzman

I would easily recommend Q3 over S5, at least on Jazz and classical: more transparent, more neutral bass. the same way I would recommend Q1 over S1 (quite normal given the price difference, and I own both). If I would listen much more Rock, electronic and pop music, I may prefer S5 over Q3. I would never put a sub on a Q3- at least I have not heard a sub which is good enough to match the level of the Q3, or the S5 (tried to play with my two Fathom and the Q1, no thanks). Only sub which (in theory) may make me change my mind are the new Magico Qsub-15 and Qsub-18, but I have not heard them yet.

Jazzman....That is quite an impressive equipment inventory. Would like to see pics of your system.

[MyPal]

Originally Posted by Bodhisattva

Hi Toga, i'm with you now! Having read up on how critical the metallurgy of not only the pc from wall to conditioner, but the twin wpo's themselves is, I couldn't agree more. I chose the Oyaide R1/WPC-Z outlet primarily as it has natural synergy with my Jorma cables, but also because the R1/P-004/C-004 combo has a similarly natural, rich and slightly laid back character to the S5's. I agree it is doing a disservice to any customer auditioning S5's or Q3's to connect any power cable to a $5 Home Depot outlet. Rubbish in, rubbish out as they say

David... What does one do with an AU GPO? I've been tempted to go US wall outlet. As you know I went with this to stay compliant. No rocker switch. The rocker switch is the performance killer. Probably not on par with Furutech or Oyaide but not bad. Certainly better than hotel grade.



NZ PDL 693/2 un switched double GPOs. You can run 2 separate circuits off 1 plug. These use a solid copper bus throughout, no brass unlike the typical Australian Clipsal or HPM. As this plug is AS-3112 compliant it should satisfy a sparky.

[The Sandman]

Originally Posted by MyPal

Certainly better than hotel grade.

Never been to the Audiophile Hotel then?

[MyPal]

Originally Posted by The Sandman

Never been to the Audiophile Hotel then?

I can't say that I have....what plugs do they use?

The worst hotel plugs I've experienced were in Venice. Laptop killers!

Steve, yes I recall your superior solution. If you like what you're hearing there is no reason to change. What i've learnt is it's not just the wiring options, but importantly the metallurgy and solid construction of the outlet and frame which influences the sound. Given I was already using cables with high end Oyaide connectors, there was natural synergy with the R1. That said, my sparky obviously could not and did not issue a certificate, and technically yes that means if your house goes up in smoke you can tear up your insurance policy, but given the robust build quality of the hardware & the extra safety steps taken by my electrician i'm fairly certain every other wpo in the house will fry before that one. How passionate are you about your audio system?

[MyPal]

Originally Posted by Bodhisattva

Steve, yes I recall your superior solution. If you like what you're hearing there is no reason to change. What I've learnt is not just the wiring options, but importantly the metallurgy and solid construction of the outlet and frame which influences the sound. Given I was already using cables with high end Oyaide connectors, there was natural synergy with the R1. That said, my sparky obviously could not and did not issue a certificate, and technically yes that means if your house goes up in smoke you can tear up your insurance policy, but given the robust build quality of the hardware & the extra safety steps taken by my electrician i'm fairly certain every other wpo in the house will fry before that one. How passionate ars you about your audio system?

Tempting....& frustrating when buying power connects at times. I am committed to Furutech Flux FI-50M (AU version). Yes they do make them, but they are a special order. As Siltech use these, Siltech can do too.

I'm thinking of going Shunyata Zitron Anaconda for the walls to Cyclops. Thankfully, an AU option too.

(Apologies for deviating).

Originally Posted by MyPal

Tempting....& frustrating when buying power connects at times. I am committed to Furutech Flux FI-50M (AU version). Yes they do make them, but they are a special order. As Siltech use these, Siltech can do too.

I'm thinking of going Shunyata Zitron Anaconda for the walls to Cyclops. Thankfully, an AU option too.

(Apologies for deviating).

Steve, the solution you're proposing is certainly far and away superior to what most punters in Australia (even serious audiophiles) are doing. Remember though you're only as strong as your weakest link. Really even if you're using the best AU-spec male connector in the world, if it is mating with inferior brass contacts, that means you will never realize the full potential of that cable or your downstream equipment. Of course we're talking about subtle differences, but as we know, those one percenters in high end audio add up.

[Mike1998]

Originally Posted by jazzman

I would easily recommend Q3 over S5, at least on Jazz and classical: more transparent, more neutral bass.
the same way I would recommend Q1 over S1 (quite normal given the price difference, and I own both).
If I would listen much more Rock, electronic and pop music, I may prefer S5 over Q3.
I would never put a sub on a Q3- at least I have not heard a sub which is good enough to match the level of the Q3, or the S5 (tried to play with my two Fathom and the Q1, no thanks). Only sub which (in theory) may make me change my mind are the new Magico Qsub-15 and Qsub-18, but I have not heard them yet.

I would agree, it really depends on source material, the S5 though in my opinion is better for everything except Classical and Jazz.