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Old 03-05-2010, 06:43 PM
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I'm not trying to be a buzz kill.. Why are you replacing the M's for the E's?
Hmmmmm so you won't be needing that sub-woofer any more?

Ken
My Cremona's are not the "M" and that is not a bad thing. The Elipsa has a fuller sound, silkier midrange, a different tweeter and more bass on the low end. The subwoofer made a huge improvement with the Cremona's and could end up in my home theater. I may keep it for now with the Elipsa to augment down to 20 hz. Too bad someone here on AA did not take my Cremona's rather then the dealer, they are in mint condition, not a mark on them. If anyone wants them PM me this weekend before I trade them in.

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Old 03-08-2010, 04:38 PM
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I just received notice from the dealer that Sumiko is expecting a container which has my Elipsa speakers inside at the earliest Friday and possibly next Monday. From California another 4 days to Philadelphia. Bottom line, the Elipsa speakers will hopefully be in my house the end of next week .
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Old 03-08-2010, 04:39 PM
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I just received notice from the dealer that Sumiko is expecting a container which has my Elipsa speakers inside at the earliest Friday and possibly next Monday. From California another 4 days to Philadelphia. Bottom line, the Elipsa speakers will hopefully be in my house the end of next week .

Looking forward to your comments.
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Old 03-11-2010, 05:05 PM
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I'm a new member to this Forum. Like 1KW, I have a pair of Elipsa's on order and should be receiving them in several weeks. I wanted to comment on the comparison I made between the Cremona M and Elipsa models.

I was very torn between these two speakers as I had read that the Cremona M was very close sonically to the Elipsa. I wasn't sure it made sense to spend the considerable extra $$ for the Elipsa if there was little difference in sound.

I listened to both speakers at Quintessence Audio in Morton Grove, IL.. The setups at Quintessence are always very well done - Mick Servant (the owner) is very particular about adjusting the rake, distance from walls, toe-in etc. I listened to each for 20 minutes or so. I would have preferred a more powerful amplifier, but only a small 30 watt/channel Pathos was fully warmed up. The source used was 96k music files fed into a Berkeley DAC.

The Cremona M sounded very nice. Two things stood out as exceptional: the detailed but sweet top end and the very excellent soundstaging. Currently having Sonics Allegra speakers, I am no stranger to good staging, but the Cremona M was truly a step up. Of course, the large demo room is a positive factor in this. The non-hashy detail on cymbals and brushes was impressive and made the Boz Scagg's song "Whats New" very compelling. I did not particularly care for the bottom end, but I'm sure the amp was a limiting factor here.

On the other hand, the Elipsa's bass sounded very good on the same amp - fuller, more defined and tuneful. In fact, every sonic parameter with the exception of staging sounded better on the Elipsa. The sound was just fuller, yet even more refined. It seemed to present a sound with greater "presence". I will say though that the stage seemed slightly flatter on the Elipsa, with the sound projected more forward and less distant than the Cremona. As I have read elsewhere, the Cremona presents a smaller, more pinpoint image. I prefer the larger sound of the Elipsa, but others may have a different preference.

I hope my comments may be of value to anyone deciding between these 2 very fine loudspeakers.
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Old 03-11-2010, 05:15 PM
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Old 03-11-2010, 08:55 PM
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Tasosman,

Welcome to AA! Like you, I have done extensive comparison between the Cremona M and the Elipsa before I pulled the trigger on the Elipsa. My impressions are exactly the same as yours - the Elipsas have more authority in everything they do, except for staging/imaging.

The imaging difference comes mainly from the differences in the baffle design. The Elipsas have wide baffle that simulates the way cello/violin sound - they all have harmonic planes that radiate sound off of them. This gives the Elipsas more natural sound and bigger sound stage. The narrower baffle utilized on the Cremona M and most other modern speakers "beam" the sound to a specific area (aka sweet spot). These speakers are excellent in producing imaging (the virtual center presence), but once you move out of the sweet listening spot the imaging will disappear.

It all depends on the type of music you listen to, but since I mainly listen to classical I chose the Elipsa which reproduces classical music more faithfully. The Elipsas are more tolerant to where you are sitting also, which helps because I have my setup in the living room.
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Tasosman, welcome, and thanks for the thoughtful comparison.
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While I sit listening to my Cremona's with the JL F112 dialed in, I really have no complaints with the way these speakers sound in my room. When ever I have auditioned the Elipsa's they always sounded great, as other's have pointed out more authority and better overall "umph". These Cremona's sure due image wonderfully, I hope the Elipsa's work better in my room than the Amati's did as I won't be able to return these .
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