tigerhonaker's Home Theater phase # 1of being Up-Dated August 2018 ...
 

Hello,


I have been very recently chatting with some very knowledgeable members over on a Thread,
When is the next line of 4k projectors comming?
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...s-comming.html

And in doing so I have gotten some really 1st hand information on some of the important matters to me concerning my Home Theater.
I'm wanting to do changes/up-dates to do and trying my best to get much more up to date as my last changes were back in 2011.
I'm now at a ripe old age of 73 so things don't come to me instantly anymore on all the new advances in technology.
Like the newer Laser projectors 4K DVD players, Latest Pre-Amp processors with Atmos, and the list goes on for sure.
Well to keep this a lot shorter I have as of this early morning met my Technician (Jason) from Wolf Hill Technologies, Nashville, TN.
Jason was at my home to replace both the fans in the Runco DHD controller so that hopefully it will keep on working as I continue to save monies for the Up-Dates.


Anyway below are the pictures I'm going to share with what Jason is going to be doing for me in the near future hopefully depending on Charles and pricing.


I'm doing this new Thread simply because the other Thread was really suppose to be about, The Nest Line of 4K Projectors.
Thank goodness a lot of the members were Super-Nice and jumped in with answers to what I was asking relating to Laser projectors as well as some questions that were just in general.


Here below are the pictures of what's going to be taking place.


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Below is the current Home Theater back in 2011 when it was last Up-Dated:

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Completed pictures of the HT (Home Theater) today.

The Tech on left, (Jayson) & on the right (Charles) is the owner when they 1st made these initial changes, Wolf Hill Technologies in Nashville, TN.


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Last pictures here is of the two Techs that did the install.
John on "Left" & Jayson on "Right".
Thanks guys for an Excellent job !!!

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My "New" Home Theater Pics 3/22/2012.
https://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/show...postcount=2917






Terry

Latest Up-Date as of today Saturday August 11th 2018.
 

Hello,


This has been a very-very long day guys but I have everything done that I can do and wanted to do.
Cathy and I both are Super Excited about all this. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif


The pictures below will explain everything,


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Terry

Terry.......Looks so much better. The new locations make sense. Nothing like upgrading your home's entertainment center. Looking forward to the final results.

Terry, wow, that is a lot of work!
Very well done. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Terry looks great, enjoy Sir!

Well the 1st phase I'm sure will be taking place in the near future as I go way back with Charles.
Then I'll have to locate a real painter to do everything that's the Dark Maroon to the Ceiling-Flat-Black.
That will no doubt make a huge difference in less Reflections to screen. :yes:



I'm slow but I did do my part and it actually does look good. :yes:
Well ain't like I did all that much :nono:



Thank-You kind Sir :thumbsup:




Terry

It looks fantastic, Terry!

Sure, lots of work to tune up the room but well worth it, I'm sure.

How does it sound to you now?

The theater looks fantastic!

Well my little part of it is completed.

Now it's waiting to get pricing and then for Jason (Tech/installer)to come do the real reorganization.
(And to do the new Audio Tuning)

That may be a few weeks from now maybe as I have not yet heard from Charles the owner on pricing and of course for it to take place.


So no new Audio just yet that's to come. :no:



Thanks for checking it out. :thumbsup:


Terry

Hello,


I found a Magazine that has a Full Review on one of the Laser Projectors I'm considering.
The JVC DLA-RS4500 Laser Projector.

It was one that came out months ago but you could order it as a {Back-Order}.


Looking forward to reading it. :yes:


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Terry

Terry, very nice, love all the details, great job, love the upgrades too, but it was nice before as well, in fact fantastic!

Congrats... well done :)

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Hi Dave,


I think it's much more interesting when we can include the detailed images/pictures on a post.
Text to me just does not really give the readers a true look if you will on what's being done and or changed.
It is very time consuming to do what I do with the pictures but what the heck I'm retired so I have the time.


Things are so far looking good and now I'm on hold until I hear back from my A/V Dealer.


Oh, thanks for dropping by and checking things out. :thumbsup:


Terry

Samsung HVAC Split-Unit inside Air-Handler (Relocated)
Hello,


Things are moving right along guys in the HT Phase #1 project.


Hiller Pluming & Heating was here yesterday from like 8:30 am until 4:00 pm.
I have done business with the Company for a lot of years and glad I switched to them from a small business here in Franklin.


Not any additional text/words needed as I made very specific notes on each picture which I think works out really well.
I will add this, if you can this is an excellent way to control the temperature in your Home Theaters guys and it is Super Quiet on Lowest-Fan-Speed.


Pictures below enjoy,


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Terry

Looking swell Terry!! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Big job tackled very well. :ok:

Nice!!

Thanks guys :thumbsup:


T.

I have considered a mini split in my recently expanded theater. The new space is more than the current whole house AC can handle. I have a price on Mitsubishi mini splits, but am worried about the additional noise in the room.

tigerhonaker's Home Theater phase # 1of being Up-Dated August 2018 ...
 

Nice mini-split install Terry!

If noise is a concern you can always run a pre-cool strategy before you use the theater. With all the furniture, walls, etc. pre-cooled the regular house ac will be better able to keep up. The better mini’s are pretty quiet when run at low fan.

I run mini-splits in my garages, they are very quiet.

As those of us that have them the Mini-Splits are Super Quiet if you put them on Automatic and let them cycle to the lowest fan speed.


I also have a Carrier in my garage and it is doing a wonderful job for winter and summer controlling the heat and cold conditions.


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Terry

I suppose I should give them a second look -- or listen.

Well maybe I can add some further comments.
I have like 5-sets of automatic temperature activated dual-fan-assemblies on my components.
The ones located in the Opening where the Pull-Out Rack assembly is.
To the (Right) of that pull-out sits two Classe' amps.
On top of each is a fan assembly.
Now, here is what's important in regards to noise.
If you were sitting really close to that area there is no doubt in my mind you could hear those fans.
Especially if you were running the system really hard at the higher volume levels.
That would be in really Low-Scenes with Very-Quiet conversations or action.
If though it was like a normal movie at normal listening levels there is No-Way you could possibly hear those fan assemblies.


Also in my case with me having my room redone and the seating Relocated to a closer viewing position to screen.
You are never-ever going to hear them where we sit now.
Distance around 10-11 feet to the rear of us.


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So, now speaking of the Split-Unit and Noise from it's fan-Assembly if it was set on Automatic and the Heat in the HT rose to where it then Ramped-Up the fan.
Yes, if the Split-Unit-Air-Carrier was located really close to where you sit my opinion is it's conceivable you might hear the Fans.
Especially if they actually went to Full-Speed !!!


In my situation where the Air-Carrier is located (Now) we don't even know it's in the HT room.
Especially if it's running on it's Low-Speed set on Automatic.
I am sitting 11' from the Center of the Air-Carrier approximately.
If you have not used one of these units and especially in the HT ???
I set the temperature and never really have to adjust it after that.
The room stays at the exact temperature you set the temperature at.
(Unless you have a lot of people in the room adding to the overall Heat generated)
Then simply adjust it down some to compensate ahead of time or let it do it Automatically.


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Terry

Thanks for the detailed explanation. I'm in the same position. The home AC cannot cool the whole house and the HT. The HT suffers.

In my case, the unit would probably have to be placed in the front of the room to the left of the screen. It would probably be about 10 feet from the nearest seating position.

tigerhonaker's Home Theater phase # 1of being Up-Dated August 2018 ...
 

Terry,
I really like the changes you’ve made - it will make a big difference in you movie-watching experience. Seating ~12 ft from the screen is definitely not to close.

I’m sitting 11’ from a JVC RS-500 and that is not too close at all - very comfortable and immersive. My screen is 106” diagonal 16:9.

Getting rid of visual distractions in the front will make the images on your screen ‘float’ in front of your eyes.

Just beautiful.

Going flat black will definitely increase your contrast ratio to get the most out of whatever projector you choose.

Moving the seating to the middle of the room will put you in a bass null but your tech can figure out how to deal with that. I’d be ready to be flexible with sub placement. :)

I think Atmos is a game changer but I’m not yet ready to make the jump either.

Thanks for posting all the pics - really makes things clear.

Good luck!

Tom

Based on what you say then you would be really close to our sitting distance.


And just so you know you can actually adjust the two (2) sets of Air Louvers as well as adjust the Up & Down positions.
So you can move the Cold-Air away from you and it will easily cool the HT room down.
Assuming they install a sufficient Tonnage-Unit.
I'm not positive but I think the Samsung might be a 1 1/2 Ton Split-Unit in my HT.
Size of my room if you wish to compare to your's.

(1) Center of ceiling is, 9 feet


(2) Length of room is, 23 feet 9 inches


(3) Width of room is, 19 feet 7 inches


Also, keep in mind that these units come in a (WHITE) Finish !!!
That usually means they would definitely NOT blend in well, period.
My HVAC Company worked with me and my Samsung was taken apart and taken to a Body-Shop and Sprayed a Flat-Black-Finish.
So it does not Reflect into the HT at all.

I do know what you speak of on the Home HVAC Unit not able to cool Both areas off the one unit.
I have a 2-story home and my HT was cooled from a (Damping-System) off the up-stairs HVAC unit.
I can tell you here where I live in the Mid-Summer it can reach 100-degrees plus sometimes.
There is No-Way that upstairs unit would cool it, impossible even with New HVAC Units.

So, I had a long talk with the Manager over the HVAC part of Hiller and that's when Chris (Mgr) said Terry I have the permanent solution.
He came out with two other managers to see exactly what was going on with the HT and the ongoing Heat issue.
Since I had been doing business with Hiller for many-many years they called Jimmy Hiller Senior (Owner) and Jimmy said install it under Warranty.
They did their thing and all has been A-OK every since.

Here are some pictures of the Super Efficient HVAC units for up-stairs & downstairs.
They are both 3-Ton Units and State of the Art in Performance.
Then there are the two Split-HVAC units, one for the garage and one for the HT.

I got tired of Burning-Up or Freezing in the garage so also took care of that all at the same-time.


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Terry

Hi Tom,

The reason I am making these changes really is the next Big-Move to a 4K JVC RS4500 Laser Projector.
That will more than likely be next year I'm a poor fellow :yes:.
So, what I'm doing way ahead of time is getting the HT ready for a complete change with a new 4K projector and all supporting components.
At that time I will also go with (Atmos) for sure.
I'll go with 4-overhead speakers.

Meanwhile like I said above I can go ahead and get things ready for the Big-Changes once I save the CASH.

JVC RS4500

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Terry

That will be one sweet upgrade! Atmos + RS 4500 = pure movie bliss!!

Tom,


I'd say based on the differences in our two (2) screen sizes we are seeing the same size images on our prospective systems. :yes:


Well my Good-Man that's the plan we shall see how it plays out when the time comes. :scratch2:


T.

Mini Split Location
 

My room is 20 x 30 x 9. The wall I have labeled as the mini split wall is the wall that is closest to the existing AC and to refrigerant and drain lines.

I like your HT it looks really nice and I see your's is long enough that it allowed for additional seating. :thumbsup:


I know we don't know one another and this is the internet that one can read all sorts of Stupid things from (Strangers).
Even though that's the case I'm going to say to you what I would if we were buddies.
If you do decide to go with a Split-Unit ???
I cannot over STRESS going to the Biggest/Largest most Professional HVAC Company you know of.
This is not the sort of thing that some small Company can do IMO and do it Professionally to where you the Home Owner will NOT regret your decision.
I'll be even more {Blunt} ........
If you cannot foot the cost to have it done Professionally I'm saying to you then don't do it. :nono:



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Terry

Thanks for the detailed response. My installer is a long-established, reputable dealer. I had not thought of your earlier suggestion to have the unit sprayed matte black.


The issue of the air blowing on the viewer is one to consider. My wife and I always have the "discussion" about whether "it's cold in this room."

I could consider installing the split on the back wall, but that would involve an entirely new consideration of electrical, refrigerant and drain lines. Plus it would put the outdoor units too close to the neighbors on that side.

I can seat eight in the theater chairs. I have made a mistake in the initial setup. I need to elevate the second row one more level.

I can promise you that unless the manufacturers have changed they only come in what appears to be Gloss White. :icon_thumbsdown:

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And speaking of our (Wives) and the ongoing discussions over the HT room being to Cold.
That was also a consideration as my wife hated the Cold-Air coming right at us both when the seating was Relocated to the current 12' 6".
Even though the vents are adjustable the unit ended up being right beside us. :sigh:
Now, with it being relocated to the rear over the components we have zero issues over how cold it is.
Also the other to me important concern was how much Heat is generated by the newer 4K Laser projectors like the JVC RS4500.
If the internal heat build-up with the JVC it automatically starts ramping up it's fans to cool.
My understanding is you don't won't it to ramp-up to it's Highest-Fan-Speed as it is then LOUD !!!
My thinking is with the Air-Handler located right where it is the back of my HT stays really cool so hopefully if I do end up with the RS4500.
That area will stay cool enough that the RS4500 internal heat will not go high enough for it to ramp all the way to it's Highest-Speed.
Plus if necessary I can always within reason drop the temperature more to help compensate for the additional Heat being generated, hopefully.
(And my wife not instantly saying, Terry I'm freezing honey)

Let's talk rear area of your HT for the placement of the Air-Handler.
Personally, and I hope I don't come across as a Smart-Ass that doesn't care about his neighbors. :sigh:
If there is actually room on your (Property) for the outside Split-Unit I can tell you with a 100% certainty that's exactly what I would do.
That outside unit is not all that Large at all.
Especially for the size Split-Unit you would need for the HT.
I think my unit is 1 1/2 tons (24,000 BTU) Samsung.
Can't promise that but I know they looked up the work order back when it was installed in I think either 2011 or 2012.
In-fact I can go take the measurements for you then you will have some Facts not be wondering/guessing.

Samsung Link,
24,000 BTU

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Well we discussed adding the 2nd roll seating now that we moved the front much closer to the screen.
But, we are older so after discussing it a few times we think in our case it would be a waste of our monies.


Terry

Thanks for the pictures and information. In our case, the outside unit can't go close to the house since we have a sidewalk there. The lines would have to snake under the sidewalk and up the house next to a bay window.

Heat-wise -- I'm dealing with a Sony 4K projector, Oppo disk player, Marantz processor, and five McIntosh amps with a sixth necessary when I go to Atmos.

Well my Good-Man I just had AT&T up-date my Internet Service.
I now have 50 MBPS and that meant they had to run a new higher-end cable to the house from the street.
Was no big deal at to be honest as I was here ans watched the 3rd party vendor do it.
They simply dug down on both sides of my driveway and ten went under it with the new cable.
Also I had underground drain-lines two years ago ran under my sidewalk with what's called, Pop-Ups in the yard to allow water drainage from the gutters.
I also watched those guys do that and it went smooth.


I only mention the above as it is really done all the time so your guys or a 3rd party vendor would do it for them if necessary.
So you might still wish to give that some additional consideration.


Are you by chance running the Sony ES5000 Laser projector ???
That's the other unit I am looking at but have been told by numerous members over on AVS that it would be way over-kill. :yes:


Hey buddy, I still say if it were me and it could be done I would have that Split-Unit in the furthest rear part of your HT.
Then, no noise at all to where you sit.
And it will certainly cool the HT down easily.


Hey don't give up easily as what we might think is a big-deal probably to the professionals it is not. :thumbsup:



T.

Thanks for the advice. I haven't given up. At the same time I was looking at the mini split, I was also looking to install a whole new heat and AC unit for the upstairs of the house (where the HT is). I have been hesitating, bouncing back and forth.

The Sony projector is the VPL-VW675ES I bought from Ivan a year or two ago. It is not the laser.

Well since the HT is on the same level you might then get away with simply Up-Dating your home HVAC system. :scratch2:
Even if you did that I (Suggest) to get in (Writing) that the new HVAC system is (Guaranteed) to cool the HT correctly.
That's what I did when I originally had all my HVAC systems up-dated by Hiller.
Guess what buddy ???
It simply did not work and I then went back to Management and the Owner and showed them how the temperature would rise as the day went by with the HT system being used.
I did it with (Timed/Dated-Pictures) so there was no doubt that what I was saying was factual.
Also, in my case I made it a point to tell the Manager over Sales that this time around I was not so concerned over cost.
I wanted a New up to date HVAC system that would Definitely cool the HT with No-Excuses later.
So, after hand delivering to the owner a packet with the pictures and the text explaining exactly what was going on.
He sent three (3) of his Managers out to access the situation and they all agreed the only way the HT was going to be cooled correctly was installing a Split-Unit.
Owner said install the correct size Split-Unit and Charge it off to Warranty !!!


So Terry H. PROTECT yourself is what I'm saying buddy. :yes:


Terry

Thanks for the advice. If I go the route of the new system, I don't think I would have an issue with heating and cooling the HT. Another complicating factor is that we have space for another room behind the HT, and both the mini-split estimate and the new Heat/AC estimate accounted for that room which we are not now certain we will create.