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ehoove 12-23-2013 08:14 PM

6H30 Tube recommendations
 
I sold my LS15 when I ran across a mint LS16 MKII which uses the pair of 6H30 tube topography, as opposed to the quad of 6922s of the LS15. I'm looking for recommendations on 6H30 tube upgrades over the stock ones. Any knowledgeable input would be appreciated.
Happy Holidays,
Jim

I am loving the new Preamp by BTW!

Bodhisattva 12-23-2013 08:27 PM

Hi Jim, I used to own an Ayon CD-5s which employs a quad of 6H30 triodes in the output stage. I upgraded the factory EB's to a quad of matched 6H30P-DR's, so I might be able to offer some insight. The DR's are mil-spec tubes which were made in the Soviet era for sensitive military applications such as the Soviet space program. As such, they had to be more accurate, reliable and have longer tube life. Upgrading the output tubes to DR's will provide a good improvement in resolution /frequency extension, noise, dynamics & durability (10,000 vs 5000hrs).

The person to speak to is Chris at PCX who is the President. He buys most of his stock from 1986. I recall Chris commenting he preferred the sound of stock from that year, but Chris will tell you that all mil-spec 6h30DR's prior to 1991 all sound about the same, with very minimal variance. PCX also test over 3 of 5 specs (ie: the most critical specs) and supplies tightly matched quads with the individual measurements for each tube recorded on the tube box. That said, PCX are currently out of stock of the DR's, but you could email him and enquire if he is likely to be getting any stock in future.

If you prefer warmer sounding output tubes, you could also consider cryo-treated EH Gold pins which are another excellent option (and quite a bit cheaper). Here is a link fyi -
cryoset.com/catalog

It is generally accepted the 6h30p-DR is the best variant of the 6h30 tube, although ultimately it depends on your personal preferences. Hope that helps :tiphat:

Cheers,

ehoove 12-23-2013 08:34 PM

Thanks for the input.
Regards,
Jim

Puma Cat 12-23-2013 10:33 PM

I'm using Reflektor 6H30P-DRs in my CT-5; they are mil-spec as David points out and reputed to be extremely durable. They are an improvement over a "regular" 6H30.

With 6H30s, there's not much in the way of tube rolling you can do; it's pretty much a standard one or the mil-spec DR version.

tima 12-24-2013 01:59 AM

In early 2005, Euguene Karna of Conus Audio made a trip to mother Russia to bring back the last remaining 1500pcs of 6H30Pi-DR. He had pre-sold 700 of these, mostly to The Tube Store. The DR is a NOS tube; there are no replaceable lots. Since 2005 Eugene's haul has dribbled out and the tube gone up in price. In late 2004 - around the time the 6H30 was adopted by ARC to replace the 6922 - the DR varietal was going for $30 ea and today the price is ~ $175-$200+ a piece. The tube has been subject to some imprint misinformation and to counterfeiting. Here is an interesting page on differences between the DR and the EB.

I don't believe there are any differences electrically between DR and EB of the same vintage; the DR went through more scrutinized testing for military use. Perhaps new manufactured EBs are not of the same standard but as far as I know both DR and EB are capable of a 7500-10000hr life span.

I've run DR, EB and cryo'ed EB versions in a variety of Conrad Johnson and Audio Research gear. The DR has a wee bit less grain, slightly improved top-end extension and slightly better focus. However, imo the difference is marginal - no where near the difference between, say, an Amperex 7308 vs a Telefunken. I love tube rolling but did not find the value in the DR premium. Usual caveats apply.

ehoove 12-26-2013 08:18 PM

Great info here. I checked my tubes, and they are Sovtek 6H30EB. Would the investment in Gold Pin EH 6H30 EB's make sense?
Regards,
Jim

MPS 12-28-2013 06:14 AM

6H30 is manufactured by New Sensor in Russia. They are sold under Sovtek and Electro Harmonix brands. Except for pins I know of no difference between these tubes and I have measured some..

Bodhisattva 12-28-2013 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ehoove (Post 564049)
Great info here. I checked my tubes, and they are Sovtek 6H30EB. Would the investment in Gold Pin EH 6H30 EB's make sense?
Regards,
Jim

Hi Jim, the stock EH Gold Pins are fuller sounding, smoother, more romantic in the midrange and have a bit more presence in the bass. Highs are also a bit softer. Sovteks are the more lively, faster sounding tubes. The cryo-treated Gold Pins however retain the same warmth and smoothness, with an increase in resolution, dynamic range and speed. The Reflektor 6H30P-DR's are still better overall and have the advantage of longer tube life, but the cryo-treated Gold pins offer more of the sonic goodies of the DR's without the ticket shock!

mraudio 12-29-2013 10:46 AM

I had an ARC LS16MKII for several years, (I was also an ARC dealer for many years). I found the "DR" version of the 6H30 tubes to be FAR superior in sound over any of the regular 6H30 variety, including any gold pin type.

IMHO, the "DR" really is a major improvement and well worth the investment. Plus they last a very long time.

Bodhisattva 12-29-2013 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mraudio (Post 564651)
I had an ARC LS16MKII for several years, (I was also an ARC dealer for many years). I found the "DR" version of the 6H30 tubes to be FAR superior in sound over any of the regular 6H30 variety, including any gold pin type.

IMHO, the "DR" really is a major improvement and well worth the investment. Plus they last a very long time.

Yeah i'd agree with that. In saying that, I found the cryo-treated EH Gold Pins to be a good bit better than stand Sovtek EB's and at about 1/5th the price!


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