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imprezap2 08-12-2017 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Bar81 (Post 860952)
I agree with the above in that you need to always match the speakers to the room.

However, in my system and in my smallish room the difference between the Scala and the Maestro wasn't subtle - treble is much smoother, midrange is significantly clearer and bass is more controlled and less chubby (I had the V1 so may be less of an issue on V2) while also being subterranean on the right recordings (you feel like it's coming from below the floor as opposed to the speakers). However, the thing that I really wasn't ready for and one of the biggest selling points to me of the Maestros is that they are a single point source in terms of their sound - it's satisfyingly cohesive. I never felt that about the Scala.

Out of the entire Utopia floorstanding lineup, the Scala, while a fantastic speaker, is the one that has obvious areas for improvement in all facets. I expect that the EVO will be a marked improvement in all areas given what looks like a smoothed out treble, clearer midrange and tighter bass.

On the other hand, I'm not interested in (although I understand why Focal made the change and from a sales point of view it is absolutely the right decision) a downgraded 3 way Maestro EVO simply to make it easier to drive and compatible with a much wider range of partnering amplifiers (the Maestros currently need ridiculous amounts of power to open up).
great speakers, do you have a picture of how the speakers are set up in the room ?

Bar81 08-12-2017 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by justubes (Post 861268)
Bar,

Exactly the characteristics i found between of the scala and maestro.

How do you rate the general sonics characteristic of your room, was it the direction of neutral bright opposed to neutral warm?
Do you mean is my room underdamped or overdamped?

justubes 08-13-2017 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Bar81 (Post 861341)

Do you mean is my room underdamped or overdamped?
Yes , underdamped in the sense of brightness or duller if overdamped.

I felt the maestros were more neutral but retaining that midrange smoothness at the dealers.

I would still love a pair as it has been some time ago and i made improve my room acoustics since.

Mine was on the warmer side, though the Maestros were superior, in some areas, the Scalas seemed to suit better.

I used to have a warmer sounding room.

The Maestros were like a big cc long distance cruiser and the scalas more a little town racer.

It was amazing the Maestro allowed a close field monitor like listening position @ 2 m.

Bar81 08-14-2017 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by justubes (Post 861467)
Yes , underdamped in the sense of brightness or duller if overdamped.

I felt the maestros were more neutral but retaining that midrange smoothness at the dealers.

I would still love a pair as it has been some time ago and i made improve my room acoustics since.

Mine was on the warmer side, though the Maestros were superior, in some areas, the Scalas seemed to suit better.

I used to have a warmer sounding room.

The Maestros were like a big cc long distance cruiser and the scalas more a little town racer.

It was amazing the Maestro allowed a close field monitor like listening position @ 2 m.
My room is definitely not overdamped, it's a living room all concrete with tile floor. I've treated it as much as I can - large rug, acoustic panels and bass traps along with furniture and shelving.

Bar81 08-14-2017 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by justubes (Post 861467)
Yes , underdamped in the sense of brightness or duller if overdamped.

I felt the maestros were more neutral but retaining that midrange smoothness at the dealers.

I would still love a pair as it has been some time ago and i made improve my room acoustics since.

Mine was on the warmer side, though the Maestros were superior, in some areas, the Scalas seemed to suit better.

I used to have a warmer sounding room.

The Maestros were like a big cc long distance cruiser and the scalas more a little town racer.

It was amazing the Maestro allowed a close field monitor like listening position @ 2 m.
My room is definitely not overdamped, it's a living room all concrete with tile floor. I've treated it as much as I can - large rug, acoustic panels and bass traps along with furniture and shelving.


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Originally Posted by imprezap2 (Post 861271)
great speakers, do you have a picture of how the speakers are set up in the room ?
I haven't done any tweaking. It's still in the same position with just a little bit of adjustment to original toe in. I should get my new audio points in the next couple of weeks and then will see. Unfortunately this site has a weird policy on pics so nothing I can post here. You can see general location in my system on audiogon (which shows my earlier Scalas).

inga 10-01-2017 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Bar81 (Post 853763)
I have been really enjoying the system with the Maestros
Same here. I have tried mine is three diferent rooms, and my findings is
1) they work best in untreated room, basicaly the less sound absorbtion the better and more open midrange( going with better absorbtion midrange becomes closed in as bass upper bas overhelm everything)

2) it can be listened in midfield.

3) this is the only speakers which drawns me in to the music, without distracting. the only distracting may be bass power, but once speaker position proprely its just seamles. it have some politeness in mids comparing to wilson audio sasha, but it project enormuos life like image , and most speaker after it sounds like tiny monitors.

Bar81 10-13-2017 03:24 PM
So one of the things that I didn't realize about my MX-R Twenties is that they go 300W/8ohms 600W/4ohms but then fizzle out at 720W/2ohms. Not a problem for most speakers (for example, my earlier Scalas were fine) but I think that explains why the Maestros don't feel like they've opened up and completely let loose - they need current into 2ohms. I'll see what more watts down low does in a couple of months when my new amps come in.

Btw, I've been playing around with the tweeter jumper. Putting the tweeter jumper into the high position changes the character of the treble - more open and energetic. More "exciting" but still smooth.

BillK 10-26-2017 10:20 AM
Before you are too hard on the MX-R Twenty, do you know what the behavior of Pass amps into two ohm loads is?

For example, when Stereophile tested the INT-150 integrated, they found at clipping it delivered 198w into 8 ohms, 284w into 4, but just 225w into 2.

inga 10-26-2017 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BillK (Post 875117)
Before you are too hard on the MX-R Twenty, do you know what the behavior of Pass amps into two ohm loads is?

For example, when Stereophile tested the INT-150 integrated, they found at clipping it delivered 198w into 8 ohms, 284w into 4, but just 225w into 2.
i think its exception, some time ago I have read that xa30.5 rated as 30W amps actualy had 332wats(!) at 2ohms. Most pass labs amps have overbuilt powersuplies and doubling power to 2 ohms.

Bar81 12-15-2017 11:33 AM
Huge difference between the M400 and the MX-R Twenty. I've only been listening for a few hours but the magnitude and nature of the upgrade reminds me of my KX-R Twenty upgrade which I consider transcendent.


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