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Masterlu 02-14-2018 08:12 PM

Brand New P12/P15 have been introduced.
 
PS Audio has now discontinued the P5 and P10

The new models known as P12 and P15 will begin shipping mid-May.

MSRP for the P12 is $4,999
MSRP for the P15 is $7,499


I will be posting more on these models shortly.

John49 02-15-2018 05:39 AM

More expense!

miner 02-15-2018 03:18 PM

yikes

FreddieFerric 02-15-2018 03:24 PM

While I applaud the release of new kit, the price increase is troublesome.

For The Love of Music 02-16-2018 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john49 (Post 899588)
more expense!



yep

jayvis 02-16-2018 12:02 PM

The stuff was already at the threshold of being "too expensive". There doesn't appear to be any cutting edge technology advances in the new models to justify the jump in price. I think PS Audio could be walking the high end audio plank. There are plenty of worthy competitors that offer similar products that provide enthusiast's system needs at more competitive prices. I don't want what my system doesn't need.

2fastdriving 02-16-2018 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayvis (Post 899824)
The stuff was already at the threshold of being "too expensive". There doesn't appear to be any cutting edge technology advances in the new models to justify the jump in price. I think PS Audio could be walking the high end audio plank. There are plenty of worthy competitors that offer similar products that provide enthusiast's system needs at more competitive prices. I don't want what my system doesn't need.

Are there competitors? I don't know of any other actual ac regenerator products as hefty as the p10. There may be, but not "plenty".

jayvis 02-16-2018 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2fastdriving (Post 899854)
Are there competitors? I don't know of any other actual ac regenerator products as hefty as the p10. There may be, but not "plenty".

My post wasn't meant to be a dig on PS Audio product quality or technology, just their pricing strategy.

jdandy 02-16-2018 08:19 PM

The PS Audio DSP5 and DSP10 might pique my interest if they have battery backup. At those prices they should.

audio bill 02-16-2018 08:26 PM

No battery backup from what I've read at the PS forum, but using technology from their DSD DAC in creating the AC waveform reportedly results in much cleaner power delivery and a corresponding improvement in sonic performance.

John49 02-16-2018 10:25 PM

My PS Audio dealer is very helpful in getting their equipment to me for home trial, so I may get a DSP10 to see what it does better than a P10 in due course. May be later than April in the UK.

For The Love of Music 02-17-2018 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John49 (Post 899954)
My PS Audio dealer is very helpful in getting their equipment to me for home trial, so I may get a DSP10 to see what it does better than a P10 in due course. May be later than April in the UK.



Cool to hear your thoughts later down the road

For The Love of Music 02-17-2018 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2fastdriving (Post 899854)
Are there competitors? I don't know of any other actual ac regenerator products as hefty as the p10. There may be, but not "plenty".



Very satisfied with the P10, especially tonight when am able to see my voltage in is 118ish and out is at a steady 120.6

We don’t see power outs unless bad weather then all units shuts down.

greekgod 02-20-2018 04:41 AM

I honestly don't see why I should pay those prices when Bryston/Torus Power offers such incredible performance at a more affordable price. Do the PS Audio products really yield any sonic advantages over the Bryston/Torus Power products? If so, how much?

ylee 02-20-2018 11:08 AM

When cables and interconnects cost tens of thousands of dollars, it's very conceivable power regenerators as well as conditioners cost in similar price territories. Other companies like AudioQuest, Shunyata, and Audience sell power conditioners at similar price points. A full monte Shunyata system will set you back 20 grand. Transparent sells an even more expensive conditioner.

The main question I have with these specific PS Audio units is are they scaled down versions of the PS20? I like the high number of sockets available with the PS 20 and would opt for it for that reason alone.

PHC1 02-20-2018 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greekgod (Post 900844)
I honestly don't see why I should pay those prices when Bryston/Torus Power offers such incredible performance at a more affordable price. Do the PS Audio products really yield any sonic advantages over the Bryston/Torus Power products? If so, how much?

Keces at even lower prices looks suspiciously similar to Torus. Keces is a major supplier of toroidal transformers to others...so.... :smoking:

audio bill 02-20-2018 12:31 PM

One point to keep in mind regarding relative pricing is that the PS Audio products being discussed are true AC regenerators, while some of the others mentioned are isolation transformers or passive power filters. Each has different potential benefits and trade-offs depending upon your specific system and power requirements.

PHC1 02-20-2018 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by audio bill (Post 900878)
One point to keep in mind regarding relative pricing is that the PS Audio products being discussed are true AC regenerators, while some of the others mentioned are isolation transformers or passive power filters. Each has different potential benefits and trade-offs depending upon your specific system and power requirements.

Yep.

2fastdriving 02-20-2018 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greekgod (Post 900844)
I honestly don't see why I should pay those prices when Bryston/Torus Power offers such incredible performance at a more affordable price. Do the PS Audio products really yield any sonic advantages over the Bryston/Torus Power products? If so, how much?

Like audio bill mentioned, these aren't directly comparable. Passive filters can improve the existing ac waveform but cannot give you voltage you don't have. In my case, I've seen my voltage swing wildly, as low as 111v. The p10 has been a great upgrade for me, over a passive filter that I had been using.

jayvis 02-20-2018 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2fastdriving (Post 900881)
Like audio bill mentioned, these aren't directly comparable. Passive filters can improve the existing ac waveform but cannot give you voltage you don't have. In my case, I've seen my voltage swing wildly, as low as 111v. The p10 has been a great upgrade for me, over a passive filter that I had been using.

I've auditioned both types in the same system and experienced very little if any difference in sound quality.

PHC1 02-20-2018 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayvis (Post 900895)
I've auditioned both types in the same system and experienced very little if any difference in sound quality.

Likewise but.... Depends on many factors and it may be different for everyone. I am perfectly happy with a passive balanced power conditioner. :music:

audio bill 02-20-2018 11:36 PM

Here's a link to what I believe is the first review of the new P20 from Taiwan which can be (somewhat roughly) translated using the Chrome browser. They make brief comparisons with the P10 and explain the technical differences in the new design.

SAPHANA 02-20-2018 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by audio bill (Post 900956)
Here's a link to what I believe is the first review of the new P20 from Taiwan which can be (somewhat roughly) translated using the Chrome browser. They make brief comparisons with the P10 and explain the technical differences in the new design.

Thanks for the link. I don't need any translation:)

Interestingly PSA is using FPGA approach on a power generator. Are they going too far?

doggiehowser 02-21-2018 09:03 AM

I got the P20 here on Saturday.

I had a customer come in. Same system he’d heard the previous Saturday. I had just updated the firmware on the P20 and just unplugged the power plugs from the P10 and put it in the P20.

Even from when I was kneeling down in front of the P20 between speakers I noticed the way the bass was tight punchy and controlled. Really dynamic.

The customer asked what I did.

The system wasn’t even flexing. My BHKs were out on loan. So it was just some Stellar Monos.

Masterlu 04-20-2018 05:51 PM

PS Audio decided to make a last minute name change to these two new models.

They will be called the P12 and P15 instead of the DSP5 and DSP10. Shipping will begin next month! :yes:

GSOphile 04-20-2018 06:28 PM

Ivan,
The new model designations imply 20% and 50% more capacity than the P10. Will that be the case?

Masterlu 04-20-2018 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSOphile (Post 912088)
Ivan,
The new model designations imply 20% and 50% more capacity than the P10. Will that be the case?

No, they don’t imply any capacity.

Masterlu 05-07-2018 02:35 PM

The New P12 and P15 began shipping today!

We have 17 lucky AA’rs receiving their new units within a week. :banana:

RxJedi 05-07-2018 09:33 PM

Incoming product scheduled for delivery Friday, and will post pics of the unboxing as soon as it arrives!!!! :banana:

I love a weekend “distraction”, although I think “the boss” will feel differently.... Everyone, please pray for me!!!!

brodricj 05-08-2018 09:06 AM

PS Audio said the first units weren't shipping until June?

audio bill 05-08-2018 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brodricj (Post 914235)
PS Audio said the first units weren't shipping until June?

I think that may have been in reference to availability of Asian export versions.

RxJedi 05-12-2018 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RxJedi (Post 914199)
Incoming product scheduled for delivery Friday, and will post pics of the unboxing as soon as it arrives!!!! :banana:

I love a weekend “distraction”, although I think “the boss” will feel differently.... Everyone, please pray for me!!!!

Soooooooooooooo, decided that bringing in the box and spending the evening unpacking was a bad idea since tomorrow is Mother’s Day. And yes, I didn’t tell her I bought this WONDERFUL piece of equipment!

So, I’ve also purchased a self digging shovel.....

crwilli 05-12-2018 10:40 PM

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Attachment 55326

Masterlu 05-12-2018 10:52 PM

So... what’s the plan, save it for next month? :D

http://parkviewpointeseniorliving.co...hers-Day-1.jpg

doggiehowser 05-12-2018 11:08 PM

Any photos of the new P12 and P15?

crwilli 05-13-2018 07:37 AM

Brand New P12/P15 have been introduced.
 
2 Attachment(s)
They are on the PS Audio site

P15
https://www.audioaficionado.org/atta...8&d=1526215298



P12
https://www.audioaficionado.org/atta...9&d=1526215313





Attachment 55328

Attachment 55329

Jbags 05-15-2018 07:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by doggiehowser (Post 914815)
Any photos of the new P12 and P15?



Here is a shot of the P12Attachment 55346

doggiehowser 05-16-2018 07:02 AM

Nice.

I have a P20 now. Considering two P15s :)

thughes 05-16-2018 01:33 PM

I received an email today from Music Direct offering trade-in on the new Pxx's, from $2500 to $4000 depending upon whether you trade the P5 or P10 and what you buy to replace it. Yet I don't find anything on the PS Audio website. Is this strictly Music Direct or is it from PS Audio?

Masterlu 05-16-2018 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thughes (Post 915220)
I received an email today from Music Direct offering trade-in on the new Pxx's, from $2500 to $4000 depending upon whether you trade the P5 or P10 and what you buy to replace it. Yet I don't find anything on the PS Audio website. Is this strictly Music Direct or is it from PS Audio?

It’s from PS Audio, as a Premier Dealer I can even beat it! :yes:


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