Roon not Recognizing BDP3
 

Stumbling on a current link from the audio circle place, I was able to grab the 60 day Roon trial for the BDP3.

My plan was to use a Mac laptop for the remote and core and then the BDP 3 to feed the system (via internal SSD and Qobuz) with all of the Roon interface glory. The Mac is on WiFi and the Bryston has the internal WiFi card. The BDP3 was set to "Roon Ready" in Manic Moose.

After a good bit of time, the BDP3 and/or its SSD was not recognized. Roon did sync with Qobuz and the iTunes files on the laptop but just play internally, not through the main system.

This evening, I hooked the laptop directly into the DAC (Bryston BDA3) via USB and the laptop played through the system. Switching the BDP3 off Roon allowed direct A to B comparison; the BDP was certainly more appealing.

So, I seem to be missing something with this endpoint stuff. My original idea of the laptop handling remote and database (core?) stuff and the BDP3 doing the player stuff isn't quite so. Seems like the machine handling Roon Core also feeds the DAC.

All comments welcome as I indulge myself in personal enrichment.

Thanks!

Follow-Up

After doing some more reading into Roon and the BPD3, the BDP3 is not intended to be used as I had thought. It's not to run Roon Core or as a Roon NAS. So, the BDP3 is now back to when it was listening to ripped CD's and Qobuz via Manic Moose.

Roon has a lot of interesting features and a real slick interface. I'll continue to mess with it but most likely will not join after the trial. No real desire at this time to add the additional hardware allowing one to really benefit from all it has to offer. Until, the next system re-build :)

HI John

Yes Roon needs a SERVER so another computer is required to act as the server. Roon offers their own server I believe as well.

One question I have been wondering about though - with the world moving towards 'Streaming' as the main source of most peoples listening experience do you think Library Management Systems like ROON continue to be popular?

james

Interesting question James. One that potentially inspires much debate and opinion. None of which is necessarily correct or incorrect.

The ability to seamlessly rip CD's coupled with the variety and quality of streaming music and radio access has me questioning the purpose of a turntable, CD player or tuner.

Considering Edison's original invention, mainstream digital music is still fairly new. As control apps continue to refine and evolve management services may well become less popular.

In any event, Roon is appearing to not be a good fit for me and my system. It has however inspired me to delve deeper into Manic Moose; becoming more adept with its interface and function. I await the release of its next version, "Double N."

Hello James - interesting question. We combine Roon and Bryston very succesfully. One of my Roon mainstays, especially, working from home, is select a track or album from our library, whatever genre strikes me, and then let Roon radio take over. It has worked very well and their algorithm for selecting music is the best I have experienced so far.

If we did not have a library at all? Unlikely we would have considered Roon.

I would agree with James. If I didn’t have my own library, I would have been unlikely to spend the money on ROON. Especially now with the price as it is.

But now that I have used it, I would miss the meta data it unlocks. I enjoy digging into the albums and the artists. ROON radio is a very nice feature that does a great job.

John...I upgraded from JRiver to Roon last year and really enjoy the features plus Roon Radio.

It may not be a huge hardware add to make this work efficiently with your system.

You need storage, a Roon Bridge, a Roon Core and an End Point.

Here's my digital signal path:

NAS (Storage) ===USB===> Wyred4Sound Reclocker ===USB===> Raspberry Pi (Roon Bridge) ===USB===> DAC (End Point)

My Roon Core is my laptop tied to the system via wireless.

I used to employ a Windoze based music server but once Windows 7 became unsupported I removed it from service, added the Raspberry Pi as a bridge and went on my way.

I

Michael-

Thank you for detailing your approach to incorporating Roon into your system. I have learned much about its mechanics during these past few days.

It has great integration with Qobuz and attached storage. The meta data links (i.e. liner notes of 2020) are never ending enjoyable and the radio thing you ClPeterson alluded to sound "way" cool. Your laptop as control and Core via WiFi is right on.

My hesitation is that I cannot do this with the BDP3 while using the laptop as you do (control and Core). Unless, there is something I am missing in the set-up?

John - if your laptop is running Roon Core, your music is on the laptop then you can use the BDP3 as a Roon endpoint and control it via Roon.

Our setup it is pretty simple - I run Roon Core and store the music on a NAS. I use Sonos as an endpoint, but run the Sonos digital output into a separate DAC.

You would use your laptop in lieu of the NAS and BDP3 in lieu of Sonos.

We switch from Roon, Sonos, and Spotify as the controller depending on who is using the system. Just apps on the iPad. You would be able to the same (Manic Moose or Roon)

Hi Folks,

But lets assume given the power and resources with streaming companies like Spotify and Amazon and Qobuz etc. do you think their platform will evolve into a more 'library' based system thereby providing full service (downloads, library, streaming) to their customers?

james