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taters 03-18-2013 03:38 PM

Thinking of the Oppo 105 with Modwright mods
 
The whole package will be 3500.00. I have heard this Modified Oppo competes with players in the 7 to 10k range. If that is the case it's a great deal. I've never heard one before so I'm a little skeptical. I currently have a Gamut Cd player but it's 12 years old and I don't how long will it last. My other alternative was to buy a used player for 3500.00 that retailed new for 7k. The only problem with that is I could have service Issues. If I did buy the modified Oppo and didn't like it is it a easy sale. Or is it a small niche in the market that is hard to sell.

LordoftheRingsEE 03-18-2013 05:19 PM

What I would love (burn) to know (from expert music listeners) is the difference in sound quality (SACD and CD)
from the Oppo BDP-105 tubed modded (from ModWright), and the Esoteric K-03 CD/SACD player.
...And few other hi-end CD/SACD players in the 5 to 10K range.

* Strictly as a CD/SACD player (stereo), for music playback only. ...Nothing else, no Blu-ray/DVD playback,
no DAC feature, no headphone listening, ... no nothing else.

taters 03-18-2013 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordoftheRingsEE (Post 462803)
What I would love (burn) to know (from expert music listeners) is the difference in sound quality (SACD and CD)
from the Oppo BDP-105 tubed modded (from ModWright), and the Esoteric K-03 CD/SACD player.
...And few other hi-end CD/SACD players in the 5 to 10K range.

* Strictly as a CD/SACD player (stereo), for music playback only. ...Nothing else, no Blu-ray/DVD playback,
no DAC feature, no headphone listening, ... no nothing else.

That's what I'm talking about!

jdandy 03-18-2013 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by taters (Post 462745)
The whole package will be 3500.00. I have heard this Modified Oppo competes with players in the 7 to 10k range.

If I did buy the modified Oppo and didn't like it is it a easy sale. Or is it a small niche in the market that is hard to sell.

taters.......I have heard a lot of things, but that doesn't necessarily make them so. What can I say. You pay your money and you take your chances. If you buy the modded BDP-105 and don't like it, you will definitely be selling to a niche market and most likely taking a hit to unload it. Make sure it's what you really think it is and a player you will want to keep. Then you won't have to worry about selling it as a used, modded disc spinner.

JJinID 03-18-2013 11:30 PM

My thoughts are that if you can afford the $10k player, and the rest of your system is up to the level where you can clearly appreciate the differences, and that the extra $$ couldn't be spent better elsewhere (speakers, room treatments, or music), then you should buy it. Modified players are a niche market, no question about it. You might take close to a $1k hit if you bought a ModWright 105 and decided to sell it. That would be painful, no doubt. Of course, you would take at least that much of a hit if not more on the $10k player if you turned around and sold it - percentage wise it might be less, but dollars wise it will probably be more.

As far as the performance goes, I suggest finding a way to audition one personally if at all possible. Feedback from actual owners goes a long way as well, which is why as the result of Dan's, Ivan's and others reviews that the Esoteric players are so popular here at AA now. I am not aware of any actual owners of a ModWright 105 here (if there are any lurking, they should speak up). I might be the first one here in a couple of weeks, and I will certainly share my impressions. I am confident that they will be as I expect them to be. Also, if you search around you will find at least one other forum member here took a chance on a ModWright Sony 5400ES, and has spoken very clearly that it does indeed compare at the level of the other 5 figure players that he owns, and he is quite pleased with his decision to purchase it. :yes:

harri009 03-19-2013 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by taters (Post 462745)
The whole package will be 3500.00. I have heard this Modified Oppo competes with players in the 7 to 10k range. If that is the case it's a great deal.

But don't we also read review after review of people saying this $7,000 player competes with players in the $15,000 category and this $3500 player competes with those in the $7000 range. So either all players sound the same after all or that's a very over used term. Perhaps it competes with a player in the next price gap but maybe that said player should have been priced lower.

taters 03-19-2013 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JJinID (Post 463011)
My thoughts are that if you can afford the $10k player, and the rest of your system is up to the level where you can clearly appreciate the differences, and that the extra $$ couldn't be spent better elsewhere (speakers, room treatments, or music), then you should buy it. Modified players are a niche market, no question about it. You might take close to a $1k hit if you bought a ModWright 105 and decided to sell it. That would be painful, no doubt. Of course, you would take at least that much of a hit if not more on the $10k player if you turned around and sold it - percentage wise it might be less, but dollars wise it will probably be more.

As far as the performance goes, I suggest finding a way to audition one personally if at all possible. Feedback from actual owners goes a long way as well, which is why as the result of Dan's, Ivan's and others reviews that the Esoteric players are so popular here at AA now. I am not aware of any actual owners of a ModWright 105 here (if there are any lurking, they should speak up). I might be the first one here in a couple of weeks, and I will certainly share my impressions. I am confident that they will be as I expect them to be. Also, if you search around you will find at least one other forum member here took a chance on a ModWright Sony 5400ES, and has spoken very clearly that it does indeed compare at the level of the other 5 figure players that he owns, and he is quite pleased with his decision to purchase it. :yes:

How do you like your bdp-95?

taters 03-19-2013 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by harri009 (Post 463064)
But don't we also read review after review of people saying this $7,000 player competes with players in the $15,000 category and this $3500 player competes with those in the $7000 range. So either all players sound the same after all or that's a very over used term. Perhaps it competes with a player in the next price gap but maybe that said player should have been priced lower.

Since I can't hear it first it's a bit of a crap shoot. I agree you can't always go by reviews.

Joe Appierto 03-19-2013 05:20 AM

taters,

This is an apples to oranges comparison to an extent but does bear somewhat on your question. I own a stock BDP-95 and just on sonic terms, quite satisfied with it. It does many things right and I could, and do, live quite happily with it. I also have a 10 year old Music Hall CD-25 that was given the then current ModWright tube modification and there are certain areas where the CD-25 sounds, to me, superior to the BDP-95. There is an analogue quality to the ModWright player that as good the the Oppo player sounds, it still lacks.

Something to bear in mind is that the ModWright 105 will allow its user to further tailor its sound by rolling in different current production and vintage tubes. I can affect the sound of the CD-25 by not only changing from a Tung-Sol 5687 to say, a Raytheon 5687, but also from changing to a GE 7044 or an Amperex 7119. You'd be in a similar situation, if you wished, with the ModWright 105.

From what I've read, the Oppo 105 improves, in its stock form, on the 95 and I can only imagine how much better it'd sound once it received the ModWright tube modifications. Whether this would be as satisfying to you as a used Esoteric or Ayre player, for example, is not something I can speak to. But, based on my limited experience, I somehow doubt you'd be disappointed with the ModWright 105.

jdandy 03-19-2013 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Appierto (Post 463084)
taters,
From what I've read, the Oppo 105 improves, in its stock form, on the 95 and I can only imagine how much better it'd sound once it received the ModWright tube modifications. Whether this would be as satisfying to you as a used Esoteric or Ayre player, for example, is not something I can speak to. But, based on my limited experience, I somehow doubt you'd be disappointed with the ModWright 105.

Joe.......What I find startling about the ModWright 105 modification is the nearly triple increase in price over a stock BDP-105. He takes a $1200.00 universal player, modifies it and tacks on an additional $2300.00.

Thinking about that, if the ModWright modification to your Music Hall CD-25 had tripled it's price, I wonder if you would have still been willing to make that purchase 10 years ago. In my mind, Dan's uptick in price for his work on the BDP-105 is substantial, especially when you consider he has no investment in the design or build of the BDP-105 beyond his circuit mods. My comments are not to be construed as a knock on Dan's work or talent as an audio engineer and designer. It is simply my impression of the cost of the player after his modification.


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