Bipartisan Background Checks Act 2019
Without getting into politics, what are your thoughts on it? I for one, am all for it. :yes:
Right now, background checks, when used, prevent gun sales to fugitives, people deemed mentally unwell by the state, domestic abusers, people who renounce U.S. citizenship, convicted felons, convicted drug users, non-citizens, dishonorably discharged veterans, and most people with restraining orders. The bill, however, would close the infamous “gun show loophole,” which allows people purchasing firearms via private sales, typically at gun shows, to forgo a background check. Under the legislation, anyone who’s not a licensed firearms dealer would not be able to exchange weapons, which would ensure that all sales run through the national criminal background check system — with a few exceptions. The legislation does not apply to: law enforcement agencies or officers, armed private security, or military service members if they’re acting in official duty private gun exchanges between spouses, immediate family members, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, grandparents, and grandchildren inheritances temporary transfers to “prevent imminent death or great bodily harm,” according to the bill text temporary transfers in instances of hunting or fishing when the transferrer has no reason to believe the recipient will violate gun laws |
It’s a step in the right direction, but most likely unenforceable as legit gun shows move underground or to the dark web.
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Death by a thousand cuts for the Second Amendment. I oppose anymore regulations on law abiding gun owners. There is no reason why law abiding gun owners should suffer the loss of there personal liberties and additional government intrusion into our lives due to the lack of proper enforcement and punishment of those who use guns to break the law. Guns are inanimate objects until a person with intent picks it up. Prosecute and penalize the criminals with the thousands of laws already on the books.
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As a life-long hunter/competitor I have a difficult time with this or other restrictions. The biggest problem is the lack of enforcement. Even the military does a poor job of policing this with known problem folks (i.e. - TX church murders). At the same time, I also have a real problem with idiots wanting to run around with open-carry in our crowded, modern society 'just because they can'. Think I would err on the side of caution on this and go with full back-ground checks.
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The thing I never could understand about new laws supposedly aimed at stopping murders: A murderer doesn't care about laws!
Pretty simple, really. These laws only restrict law abiding people. Anyone with thoughts of murder doesn't care about your laws. They can always get a gun if they want one bad enough. The only way to make that almost impossible is to ban guns and confiscate them all. That would lead to civil war. So I'm against any new laws on this basis. Instead, I think we have a sick society that needs to get more mental health care and somehow get rid of twitter and facebook to reduce violence :) |
This is a gun control bill.
A a well known Constitutionalists take on the 2nd Amendment— The Founders distrusted a centralized government to the extent of wanting a militia to stand against it, out of which came the 2nd Amendment. The existence of a militia served as a check against a standing army, and allowed states to protect themselves from a tyrannical centralized government. People on TV don’t even understand what a standing militia even means, yet they speak out against them without even understanding the Founder’s intentions for having them in the first place. The Founders, Framers, and Ratifiers of the Constitution were all united in their view that the people needed to be well armed, not for hunting, but for self-defense because they knew the dangers of a police state. Ron |
The Federalists take —
There Is No ‘Gun-Show Loophole’ One of the biggest claims I’ve heard as a reason for needing more background checks is the so-called “gun-show loophole.” There’s one big problem with that claim: there is no “gun-show loophole” in federal law. It is a myth. As covered above, federal law requires that all sales from firearm dealers, or sales between residents of different states, must satisfy the background check requirements, regardless of whether those sales happen in a gun shop, at a gun show, or out of the back of somebody’s trunk in a parking lot. Many states also require background checks for individual sales. There is simply no law anywhere that says if a gun is bought at a gun show, then the buyer doesn’t have to undergo a background check. In fact, gun shows are generally full of ATF agents on the prowl for potential violations of federal law. A dealer who tries to sell a gun at a gun show without confirming that the buyer has passed a background check will get in big trouble in short order. Furthermore, federal law also prevents sales to anyone the seller believes to be a “prohibited person” (e.g., a convicted felon). As a result, gun dealers regularly turn away potential customers if they think they are not legally allowed to purchase or possess a firearm. There is no special exemption or “loophole” in federal law that allows gun show sales to occur without background checks. Ron |
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Interesting insight and opinions. Thank you gentlemen for all your responses and a civil discussion of this very complicated topic. :thumbsup:
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Turns out crime is illegal...and new laws can be cumbersome to law abiding folks, and laughable to criminals. :) |
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I’m all for the sharing of relevant data between agencies - especially mental health records during the approval process. There is a fallacy that increased gun control will result in less crime when in fact, the opposite occurs. |
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All these "controls" are taking away rights for law abiding citizens. There are 1000's of laws on the books already. |
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Whoa, I somehow missed this post. Very well stated, Dan! :thumbsup: |
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Ive been self-employed in the gun industry since August 1st 1997. I can tell you first-hand, that background checks are a complete waste of time energy and effort. We don't need to know what someone did in the past, we need to know what they're going to do in the future, and that's obviously impossible.
We can clearly see the socialistic agenda the Democrats are pushing, they don't try to hide it anymore. The only thing keeping us from socialism is the Second Amendment, we need to be disarmed for them to take this country where they want to go. The entire United States already has mandatory background checks on all firearm sales from retail gun stores. Now they want background checks on private sales as well, which, using my state as an example, becomes a registration for all firearms. My state has mandatory background checks and registration for every sale, private or from a gun store. The state of Connecticut knows every single gun owned by every single person in this state. Background checks are simply a way of knowing who has what, and we all know what happens after registration... Anyone who believes universal background checks will prevent any mass shooting, probably also believes that cables make a difference.... Just kidding.... :banana: |
No offense...but as per Forum rules, “no politics”, this thread should be closed immediately
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100% agree
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Am an NRA life member, life-long hunter and competitor. Have no problem with magazine capacity restrictions and universal back-ground checks. As a hunter who believes in the 'sport' of hunting, I would like to see semi-auto rifles banned from same. Also, have a huge problem with the top echelon of the NRA since lame-lapierre took over. He and his self-serving cronies have turned the NRA into a super PAC with the primary aim of rewarding themselves with members' money. Am hopeful that the NY state AG's investigation will result in the whole crew of them going to jail so the NRA can get back to its roots of supporting competition, hunting and gun ownership & training. Am so tired of the NRA begging more money from members in order to line their own pockets.
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Screw the Second Amendment!!!
If your too big of a pussy to walk out of your house without a gun, Stay hidden. |
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Please Jimmy help me be a man like you, teach me, please, I implore you, I beg of you... in the meanwhile, I'll be in the closet, clinging to my Bible and my gun... :lmao: |
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So based on that statement, you feel that you have the right to own the type of firearms you want to own, but the rest of the law-abiding shooting community doesn't have the right to own a semi-automatic rifle, simply because you don't have a need for one. That's exactly the problem, you get to have what you want, but we don't get to have what you don't like. Hypocrisy at its finest... |
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