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chessman 09-11-2013 02:02 PM

BAT and Shunyata
 
My VK-600 SE has two power cords (it is a dual mono design) that are currently plugged straight in to the wall on separate outlets on the same 15 amp circuit. I would like to use a Shunyata Cyclops between the amp and the wall.

I figure that even wide open, each side of the amplifier never draws more than 5 amps (total 10 because it's dual mono), so can I get away with plugging both power cords into one Cyclops and then using only one power cord to the wall?

Victor, what do you think?

Victor Khomenko 09-12-2013 03:58 PM

Most likely you will subject the amp to severe current starvation. Each channel will WANT to draw much more than 5A at full power. Ideally you would not want to have any current limiting devices between the power line and your amp.

BlueFox 09-12-2013 06:23 PM

Post this in the Shunyata forum and let Caelin Gabriel answer it. I know the Triton is not current limiting, and I 'think' the Cyclops is the same.

chessman 09-12-2013 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor Khomenko (Post 530532)
Most likely you will subject the amp to severe current starvation. Each channel will WANT to draw much more than 5A at full power. Ideally you would not want to have any current limiting devices between the power line and your amp.

Thanks, Victor. Your answer begs the next question: is the VK-600 SE already getting starved by a mere 15 amp circuit?

Victor Khomenko 09-13-2013 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chessman (Post 530577)
Thanks, Victor. Your answer begs the next question: is the VK-600 SE already getting starved by a mere 15 amp circuit?

That top level observation is true of any high-power amplifier. On the surface, your power is limited to 1800W, consumed, but in reality as we know, with music your peak-to-average-power ratio is quite high, so the main concern is not your sustained power - I can't imagine anyone being present in a room with several hundred watts continuously driving speakers... but rather the peaks.

Your typical household 15A line often can deliver peaks in the 100A range, covering all your instantaneous needs plus some.

CGabriel 09-13-2013 05:26 PM

Victor is quite right about the difference between continuous and peak current demand. And I fully agree that current limiting devices should not be inserted between a high current amp and the wall outlet.

As to the question about the Cyclops and its ability to deliver instantaneous current - how can I say this in simple terms? Ok, how about this for a non-technical explanation. The Cyclops limits instantaneous current delivery LESS than the standard power cord that came in the box with the amp.

cg

Victor Khomenko 09-14-2013 09:23 AM

Typically my advice on using any such devices is to try the system both ways, and go with what sounds best to you. Trying is always the best approach. One can never predict the outcome based on just the marketing information and specifications.

BlueFox 09-15-2013 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CGabriel (Post 530846)
The Cyclops limits instantaneous current delivery LESS than the standard power cord that came in the box with the amp.

Would it be fair to say a Cyclops, along with a better power cord, would limit instantaneous current delivery "LESS than the standard power cord that came in the box with the amp."?

The benefit being better instantaneous current delivery, and cleaner power, than the stock power cord.

CGabriel 09-15-2013 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueFox (Post 531266)

Would it be fair to say a Cyclops, along with a better power cord, would limit instantaneous current delivery "LESS than the standard power cord that came in the box with the amp."?

The benefit being better instantaneous current delivery, and cleaner power, than the stock power cord.

You may want to move the question to the Shunyata forum as a courtesy to the BAT forum.

Cg

chessman 09-15-2013 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CGabriel (Post 531343)

You may want to move the question to the Shunyata forum as a courtesy to the BAT forum.

Cg

I think that is a good idea. :)


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