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Originally Posted by Ricjor1 (Post 778940)

I should add that with the Aerial 7Ts/ subs I listened with my volume control set on 72. With the PL500s the volume control is set at 66. When I do turn it to 72 WOW!

Your comments and observations are very appreciated. Trouble is they make me want to hear the Pl500s even more. What you describe is exactly what I'm looking for. Coherent sound from top to bottom without any need to think about what I'm missing. I'm big into soundstage and dynamics. I'm going to Chicago this weekend!

Take your own music and enjoy. If it turns out the PL500s aren't for you, at least you made the decision with your own ears. Let me know what you think! Again, if you are ever in San Antonio, TX give me a call.

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Originally Posted by Ricjor1 (Post 779017)

The 500's sound like fantastic speakers. I was not familiar with them so I read up. I know I'm stating the obvious here but they are nearly 3x the price of the 7T's. Just for comparison, I'd like to see what Michael Kelly would come up with in that price range.

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Originally Posted by Greg B (Post 779305)

If you read my comments it's clear that I'm not comparing the Aerial 7T's to the 500's. If you read the thread I've clearly been comparing the Aerial 7T's with subs and in my case with the JL Audio CR1 Electronic Crossover. Considering what I had with the Aerial 7T's, including cables for the subs, cables for the crossover and power cords that I purchased brings the delta in "retail" cost to less than 10K retail of the PL500's.

Here are my comments: Now that I've added dual subs, I know Ill keep the
7Ts for a long time. (5/22/2015)
I agree the 7Ts are some of the best speakers out there with subs. If the room is relatively big, then I submit adding subs are a must! That being said, the 7Ts are at a specific price point for a reason. Although I haven't heard the 20Ts, I'm assuming they must be better than the 7Ts. I'm sure the 12Ts will be a step-up from the 7Ts. I think they compete against speakers above their price category, but I do think they have their limitations. You may prefer Aerial 7Ts with subs (5/2/2016)
It's hard because the 7Ts with subs are really, really great. (5/9/2016)

It's silly to compare the 7T's without subs directly to the 500s. 1) Price difference(although price isn't always an indicator of better) 2) My room is more suitable to a full range speaker and I wouldn't compare the 500s to the 7T's in a smaller room

My comments really aren't about the 7T's, but more about my dissatisfaction with subs. A year ago I posted, "Now that I've added dual subs, I know I'll keep the 7Ts for a long time. Yet, after several months with subs, something just didn't sound correct. Every time I've had subs, I've ended up dissatisfied and selling them. Because of my room's dimensions I wanted/ required a full range speaker and I found that with the PL500s.

Finally you said, "Just for comparison, I'd like to see what Michael Kelly would come up with in that price range." If you read my post from 5/2/2016 in this thread, I clearly mentioned the 20T's and 12T's. To be honest with you, I was trying to wait for the 12T's, but I was presented such a great opportunity to purchase the PL500s I couldn't resist. I'm grateful and extremely happy I purchased the PL500's.

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Originally Posted by Ricjor1 (Post 779387)

If you read my comments it's clear that I'm not comparing the Aerial 7T's to the 500's. If you read the thread I've clearly been comparing the Aerial 7T's with subs and in my case with the JL Audio CR1 Electronic Crossover. Considering what I had with the Aerial 7T's, including cables for the subs, cables for the crossover and power cords that I purchased brings the delta in "retail" cost to less than 10K retail of the PL500's. Here are my comments: Now that I've added dual subs, I know Ill keep the 7Ts for a long time. (5/22/2015) I agree the 7Ts are some of the best speakers out there with subs. If the room is relatively big, then I submit adding subs are a must! That being said, the 7Ts are at a specific price point for a reason. Although I haven't heard the 20Ts, I'm assuming they must be better than the 7Ts. I'm sure the 12Ts will be a step-up from the 7Ts. I think they compete against speakers above their price category, but I do think they have their limitations. You may prefer Aerial 7Ts with subs (5/2/2016) It's hard because the 7Ts with subs are really, really great. (5/9/2016) It's silly to compare the 7T's without subs directly to the 500s. 1) Price difference(although price isn't always an indicator of better) 2) My room is more suitable to a full range speaker and I wouldn't compare the 500s to the 7T's in a smaller room My comments really aren't about the 7T's, but more about my dissatisfaction with subs. A year ago I posted, "Now that I've added dual subs, I know I'll keep the 7Ts for a long time. Yet, after several months with subs, something just didn't sound correct. Every time I've had subs, I've ended up dissatisfied and selling them. Because of my room's dimensions I wanted/ required a full range speaker and I found that with the PL500s. Finally you said, "Just for comparison, I'd like to see what Michael Kelly would come up with in that price range." If you read my post from 5/2/2016 in this thread, I clearly mentioned the 20T's and 12T's. To be honest with you, I was trying to wait for the 12T's, but I was presented such a great opportunity to purchase the PL500s I couldn't resist. I'm grateful and extremely happy I purchased the PL500's.

I totally agree with you Rick. Yes the 7Ts with subs are fantastic. Yet as you have found out. I have also found. Their is just "something " not totally coherent when you add subs to the mixture. Of course we all hear differently. Maybe it's the cone material, maybe the amp. Whatever the reason I hear a difference from top to bottom that I am more aware of the longer I listen to my 7Ts and JL Audio E110s. I too want a true full range speaker. The 7s are fantastic for their price and I get a solid 30hz in my listening room. But I want more hence the addition of subs. That is the sole reason why I'm so excited about the 500s. I'm going to Chicago to hear them this weekend and will let you know my impression. Yes. 30k is big bucks but I want my final speaker as well. In talking to Mike Kelly he has informed me that it will be at least 2017 before 12Ts are out. My question to me is. Are the 500s worth getting now or do I make do till the 12Ts come out. As I'm an Aerial dealer it raises a question I won't be able to answer till I hear the Monitors. And yes I find products that I don't install and like them better. And buy them. Again. I agree with the comments made about costs. Yet it's all relevant if we get what makes each of us satisfied without the constant upgrading which gets costly over time. And the final nail in this discussion for me, I didn't find the 20Ts went deep enough without help so their wasn't any reason to buy those over 7Ts. My worry is the 12s maybe same story. Well written Rick.

paulphoosreal,

Thanks for the kind words. I'm a humble person, but I love talking about stereo and describing the differences that I hear when comparing components. Are the 500s worth it? The only person that can answer that question is you. I love the PL500s, but "THERE ARE NO ABSOLUTES WITH AUDIO, ONLY PREFERENCES." e.g. I hear so much talk about how great the Bricasti M28s are. I've compared them directly to the Jeff Rowland 625 S2 and with the exception of bass, I clearly preferred the 625 S2. Forums are great when we used them to talk about new products or simply compare products that we have experience with...I submit forums are bad when we talk down to each other or act as if the equipment we own and/ or prefer is the absolute best. I'm not saying the PL500s are the best or that anyone will like them as I do. As a matter of fact, there are several speakers that I like more than the PL500s; however they are way out of my price range. I'm simply saying what I hear.

My humble apologies, I did not read all the posts and that's on me. I honestly didn't think you were criticizing the 7T's if I came off that way.

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Originally Posted by Greg B (Post 779456)

My humble apologies, I did not read all the posts and that's on me. I honestly didn't think you were criticizing the 7T's if I came off that way.

Greg,
No need to apologize. This hobby is crazy and it's easy to get into arguments about opinions.

Well done gentlemen. Peace with Honor!

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Originally Posted by crwilli (Post 779582)

Well done gentlemen. Peace with Honor!

Well said to all. This forum is what allows us to pick other brains than our own. Speaking for me. I can confuse myself constantly on what I truly want. Thanks you one and all.