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jimtranr
07-15-2011, 08:12 PM
I've now had a few days to live with the bedroom-system C-J Sonographe SC25 preamp and SA250 125 wpc amp you see tucked into a DIY oak cabinet.

http://jimtranr.com/sonographe_br_2.JPG

Some system context first. As the photo might suggest (apart from the way-too-revealing camera flash highlighting the need for shelf dusting), the standmounted Paradigm SE-1 speakers have to contend with fairly cramped quarters, and particularly the proximity of a reflection-unfriendly lowboy dresser in an 11'x13' room. I've placed a few ASC 9" Tube traps where I could atop the dresser and in the room's rear corners and probably get some, if not ideally placed, absorptive help from the queen-sized bed's pillows and covers, but otherwise it's a very "just live-with-it, Jim" acoustic environment.

Okay, enough excuses. The program sources feeding the SC25 are a Mac MR74 via Kimber Silver Streak, a Dan Wright-modded Pioneer DV-525 via Tara Prism 33, and a Motorola cable box for background Music Channel program via Vampire-terminated JSC IC's. Kimber Select KS-1020 links the SC25 and SA250, which in turn feeds the SE-1's via Tara original-version Space and Time speaker cable. All but the directly-into-the-wall SA250 are plugged into an Adcom ACE-515 power line conditioner. As a comparison benchmark, a Counterpoint SA-2000 tube/hybrid line stage and Rotel RB970BX 60wpc amp constituted the previous electronics lineup.

My inital impression upon listening to the out-of-the-box Sonographes was favorable but somewhat guarded. There was no question that the Paradigms benefitted from a gutsier amp, exhibiting a broader and deeper soundstage and more heft than I'd experienced with Counterpoint/Rotel combination. But there was just a hint of "electronic" in the presentation. Something attributable to the solid-state SC25? I wondered.

Not that I had the faintest pangs of buyer's remorse. I'd learned a long time ago that it takes even assumedly burned-in components time to warm up and cables that have just been reconnected to "settle." So I let the MR74 and the cable box feed the system (and occasionally put on a CD) and did little if any critical listening over the next couple of days. But even in passing I noticed that the presentation began to sound more liquid and more, if I can use the term, engaging.

I spent some time yesterday and today auditioning CD's I know well, mostly classical, jazz, and vocal, including some I've played earlier this week. And now I know why some Stereophile reviewer in the late '90's saw fit to dub the SA250 "Class B." This amp's a sleeper. Taut, well-defined bottom end, more (and very liquid) extension at the top than some online commentary has suggested, and a midrange that's, well, wonderful. The nuanced and breathy inflections of Sarah Vaughan's voice, the reediness of Stan Getz's sax, the palpable and uncongested delineation of massed brass and woodwinds...all this from CD's spinning on a modded DVD player that, if memory serves, I acquired about a dozen years ago.

And that "electronic" signature? What was is nada, nichevo, nothing--no longer in evidence. No, the SC25 is not my Premier 17LS. But it's more than what I'd have termed "competent" a couple days ago. And, no, I'm not tempted to substitute the SA-2000 in its place. This is a case of "ain't broke, don't fix." There's synergy working here I don't want to mess with.

Final note: About an hour before I started writing this (and before I took the photo), I placed a set of just-lying-around Aurios isolators under the SC25 and relistened to a recorded-live Shostakovich Fifth (his son Maxim conducting) I'd had on earlier. Good grief, Charley Brown. Even more open and reach-into presentation.

Happiness is.

Masterlu
07-15-2011, 08:15 PM
Jim... Why the thumbs down in your title?

jimtranr
07-15-2011, 08:20 PM
I spotted it as soon as I posted and did a quick edit. It shouldn't be there anymore.

Masterlu
07-15-2011, 08:50 PM
I spotted it as soon as I posted and did a quick edit. It shouldn't be there anymore.

You're good, it just threw me off! ;)

cmalak
07-15-2011, 08:52 PM
Jim...very nice write-up. So a quick question that confused me. The Sonographes' (both SC25 and SA250) are from the '90s but you mention that the sound "straight out of the box" was favorable but guarded. Are these new units that have never been used or do you mean since they have not been used for a while they require break-in which clearly has occurred over the past couple of days?

Congrats on the new bedroom set-up :thumbsup:

jimtranr
07-15-2011, 09:33 PM
Jim...very nice write-up. So a quick question that confused me. The Sonographes' (both SC25 and SA250) are from the '90s but you mention that the sound "straight out of the box" was favorable but guarded. Are these new units that have never been used or do you mean since they have not been used for a while they require break-in which clearly has occurred over the past couple of days?

Congrats on the new bedroom set-up :thumbsup:

Thanks, Cyril. And sorry for the confusion. If you'd seen the box they came in--that's right, both came in the same flimsy box from an eBay seller, but somehow survived the journey thanks only to wads of bubble wrap--my reference might have been clearer. I meant that they're used units that apparently hadn't been used for a while.

At that, apart from a very slight smudge along the top edge of the amp, they're in near-mint cosmetic condition.

cmalak
07-15-2011, 09:51 PM
Jim...got it (at first I thought you might have gotten some NOS so-to-speak Sonographes). Congrats on the purchase and on having a new bedroom system that is floating your boat. It's that little bit of extra whipped cream on top when things work out the way they are supposed to :thumbsup:

jimtranr
07-15-2011, 11:24 PM
Jim...got it (at first I thought you might have gotten some NOS so-to-speak Sonographes). Congrats on the purchase and on having a new bedroom system that is floating your boat. It's that little bit of extra whipped cream on top when things work out the way they are supposed to :thumbsup:

Thanks, Cyril. Not a little luck was involved in the "worked out" department. I had just started searching for an appropriate replacement amp when I happened on the Sonographe combination in the last hours of its auction. I didn't absolutely need a preamp, but as an already-C-J owner happy with the product, I didn't want chance "losing" an amp that might have promise. So I put in a last-10-second bid. The rest is hist--no, make that, as you put it, whipped cream.

Rafale
07-16-2011, 12:41 PM
now Jim the value of Sonographes is going to rise by your fault :yes:

jimtranr
07-16-2011, 08:34 PM
now Jim the value of Sonographes is going to rise by your fault :yes:

Oops! I should have thought of that, Philippe. :D

Puma Cat
07-17-2011, 03:38 PM
JIm,
Great to hear that the Sonographes are working out so well for you.

You're right in that components that have not been used for some time often require "re-breakin". And some folks will say that even when cables have been disconnected or moved, they need time to "settle".

When I got my Dynaudio Contour S3.4s from a Dyn dealer, they had been sitting in his showroom unused for some months. When I first got them, they sounded dark, muffled and laid-back, and not as good as my lower spec Audience 72s.

As Dyns are notorious for needing at least 300 hrs of break-in from new, I figured the Contours might need "re-breaking in"....sure enough, after several hours of playing dynamic music, mostly full-scale classical symphonic, the Dyns really ran in again and started to open up.