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howiebrou
07-10-2013, 09:52 AM
Just found out that Orpheus has released a new SACD transport and DSD Dac based on its superb Heritage series. Looks like Ch-Precision has got a challenger!

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The Orpheus Heritage line is the state of art of audio performance and design. We are here talking about pure audio performance. The goal is to play the music as it has been precisely recorded on the CD/SACD support without any inappropriate modification of sound. It is obvious that to achieve this goal we don’t have any compromise on the quality of the materials selected and the components used inside the machine. The SACD drive integrates the new mechanism VMK-5 from Esoteric with the VRDS technology that minimizes friction and stresses on the electrical engine. This is why the playback speed is very smooth and the system extremely quiet. A new oversized power supply is used integrating the newest technologies of AC/DC and DC/DC regulation to get the best audio performances with limited power converted to heat unnecessary in order to increase the components life. A new 4.3 ‘’ LCD screen with more than 16Mio color and a brightness controlable on 255 steps is used. The signal board has been developed to control the correct path of digital data and includes a self monitoring error system. This player also incorporates the new upsampling module Q5 and the new Time Lock clocking system. To get the best audio performance of the D/A converter from the same line, the SACD Heritage integrates a DSD output and a clock out connector in order to minimize the jitter.

The SACD drive Heritage is composed by one stylish treated aluminum box. The front panel incorporates the IR receiver, a standby LED the tray of the SACD mechanism, the LCD screen and the illuminated logo. Some buttons are place on the right side of the device in order to send the commands to the system. The Orpheus logo goes through the treated aluminum front panel. This involves the use of special mechanical processes and some extra very complex steps. When the unit is turned on, a beautiful backlight illuminates the logo and indicates to the user that the device is ready to operate. The marvelous curve of the front panel reminds the wave of the Orpheus logo with class and very refined style. This product is the state of art of audio electronics as well as form point of view of the mechanical design.

The new D/A Converter Heritage has been updated with brand new features as a new DSD (Direct Stream Digital) input. Moreover, the new DAC is able to clock with external clock incoming from the digital source. If no external clock is used, the Time Lock module will generate the master clock used for all the different stages of the converter in order to minimize the jitter. It also keeps the high level of audio technology in using the several upsampling modules and the unique proprietary D/A converter drive modules with 4 D/A converter IC’s per channel. The scrambling technique is used in order to lower the noise due to the D/A conversion. A firewire and a USB 192KHz input had been integrated also in order to connect the DAC Heritage with a computer in order to use the device as an impressive audio external converter. In order to keep the highest rate of performance, we decided to keep a dual mono architecture. That means that each channel has its own power supply and its own transformer in order to erase all interaction between the channels. The DSP board and the DSP board had also been reviewed in order to integrate all these new features and upgrade the level of the most legendary product from Orpheus.

The D/A converter Heritage is composed by two clearly separated boxes. The box with the LED and the logo Orpheus placed on the front panel is the power supply box. It goal is to convert the noisy AC voltage coming from the electrical net into a DC regulated and clean voltage. The other box, is the the electronic signal box. All the part of the digital signal processing and digital to analog conversion is done inside that box in order to avoid catching the noise coming from the AC/DC voltage conversion. The Orpheus logo goes through the treated aluminum front panel. This involves the use of special mechanical processes and some extra very complex steps. When the unit is turned on, a beautiful backlight illuminates the logo and indicates to the user that the device is ready to operate. The marvelous curve of the front panel of the two separated boxes reminds the wave of the Orpheus logo with class and very refined style. This product is the state of art of audio electronics as well as form point of view of the mechanical design.

wizard
07-10-2013, 07:00 PM
Price is €30000 each.

Some history:

http://cybwiz.zenfolio.com/img/s10/v113/p1649622512-4.jpg
The old Heritage from 2006.

Heritage was designed by Florian Cossy and Thierry Heeb (CH), when Orpheus was almost going bankrupt they was bought by Confectronic and new investors in 2008, Cossy and Heeb quit and started CH Precision in 2009.

The new Heritage dac, the main board is like the old one, just some small changes.
The input section is new with some new boards and interfaces - USB is based on a Tenor 8802L - max 24/192 input sampling, CH C1 uses XMOS - can be upgraded to DXD with a firmware upgrade.

Heritage uses AD 1955 delta sigma chips, C1 R2R PCM 1704 ladder chips - both 4 pr channel.
C1 is fully upgradeable hardware and software - you can do it yourself, while Heritage no upgrade possibility.

wizard
07-11-2013, 02:20 AM
Heritage and C1 upsamples the input signal to 768kHz.

Heritage - asynchronous.
C1 - synchronous, CH says this is better than the older asynchronous type.

I/V and gain stage:
Heritage - Linear 1677 and AD797 op-amps
C1 - Discrete

howiebrou
07-11-2013, 10:37 PM
Heritage and C1 upsamples the input signal to 768kHz.

Heritage - asynchronous.
C1 - synchronous, CH says this is better than the older asynchronous type.

I/V and gain stage:
Heritage - AD797 op-amps
C1 - Discrete

Wizard,

Have you heard them side by side?

howie

wizard
07-12-2013, 05:57 AM
New prices:
Heritage 3 dac €38000 and Heritage Sacd €35000.

bvdiman
07-12-2013, 06:46 AM
New prices:
Heritage 3 dac €38000 and Heritage Sacd €35000.

Oh no.. :no:

Have not heard the new Orpheus yet, like the design of it better than the CH.
Though if I am buying, for the money, it'll more likely be the CH combo+PSU.

Wizard, do you think both units would do equally well/better direct to amp sans pre?
Have only heard the CH combo (w/out PSU) in a friend's system through FMA266mkII + 2x 711mkII (Inspiration 3 System), and they were sounding excellent.
But so do the MSB and Vivaldi there.

wizard
07-12-2013, 08:46 AM
Wizard,

Have you heard them side by side?

howie

Not side by side, only in different systems.

Both are sounding excellent, which you prefer is up to you.
My favorite of them is CH because of easy upgrades.

wizard
07-12-2013, 09:45 AM
Oh no.. :no:

Have not heard the new Orpheus yet, like the design of it better than the CH.
Though if I am buying, for the money, it'll more likely be the CH combo+PSU.

Wizard, do you think both units would do equally well/better direct to amp sans pre?
Have only heard the CH combo (w/out PSU) in a friend's system through FMA266mkII + 2x 711mkII (Inspiration 3 System), and they were sounding excellent.
But so do the MSB and Vivaldi there.

My friend has tested CH C1 as a preamp vs Horch Stage.
There was no comparison at all to this extraordinary German preamp.
The amplifier used was Horch Power Stage, and Dynaudio Evidence Master speakers.

The Horch designer is the same who designed Dynaudio Arbiter.


And there will more Orpheus Heritage products in the future.

wizard
07-12-2013, 05:08 PM
I've added new pictures of Heritage and Classic series at my Zenfolio (http://cybwiz.zenfolio.com/p839723769) site.

bvdiman
07-12-2013, 08:03 PM
My friend has tested CH C1 as a preamp vs Horch Stage.
There was no comparison at all to this extraordinary German preamp.
The amplifier used was Horch Power Stage, and Dynaudio Evidence Master speakers.

The Horch designer is the same who designed Dynaudio Arbiter.


And there will more Orpheus Heritage products in the future.


We tested and thought so too..
Was kinda hoping that those output stages in latest sota DACs would get close/match, so that us running digital only systems could dump our pre's.
But not there yet, at least compared to the few top tier line stages.
Thanks.

howiebrou
07-13-2013, 12:53 AM
My friend has tested CH C1 as a preamp vs Horch Stage.
There was no comparison at all to this extraordinary German preamp.
The amplifier used was Horch Power Stage, and Dynaudio Evidence Master speakers.

The Horch designer is the same who designed Dynaudio Arbiter.

And there will more Orpheus Heritage products in the future.

I would never run a dac as a preamp. I have just never come across one with a preamp worth using.your experience echoes mine. If I get the C1 or Orpheus heritage dac it will be used solely as a dac.

Anyway I have analogue to contend with!

Howie

ILUVAUDIO
07-20-2013, 10:20 PM
Is the Heritage Series available in the US?? I know the Privilege Series is but I cannot seem to learn if the higher line series is available....

Cheers,

wizard
08-10-2013, 12:42 PM
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ILUVAUDIO
02-08-2014, 10:31 PM
Just learned that Orpheus dropped their US distributor, so, no Orpheus gear in the US until they find a new group:tears:

Cheers,

Car commander
02-11-2014, 02:25 PM
Wow there is a lot of competition at 100K digital front ends. How big is that market at that level?

howiebrou
02-13-2014, 08:23 PM
Wow there is a lot of competition at 100K digital front ends. How big is that market at that level?

It's big over here in Asia. There's almost always no stock as someone will wander in and buy a few sets:tears:

ILUVAUDIO
04-09-2014, 10:54 AM
New prices:
Heritage 3 dac €38000 and Heritage Sacd €35000.

Since there is still currently no US importer/distributor, I assume that this is EU pricing (and associated VAT)....we can hope as the €68,000 price equals about $94,000 at today's exchange rate...that is about $10K less than a four piece Vivaldi stack.....

I sure hope Orpheus gets a new US importer/distributor soon!!!!

Cheers,