I've got some more reading to do but I think you guys are right. I don''t have a huge room to cable up. 4-6 meter IC's between amp and pre with short speaker cables should do the trick. I kinda thought that the Ayre should be more forgiving. My Spectrons input impedence is 50kOhms. Not as high as the MX-R's but should, I think, not be a problem. As always, this has been an invaluable site. I hope everyone had a great holiday.


Joe

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Speakers: TAD CR-1's , Klipsch Cornwall III's, JBL 4312D. Amps: Conrad-Johnson MV-60, Burmester 911 MK3. Preamps: Burmester 099 dac/preamp, Burmester 077 w/ external power supply and 035. Electronics: Metric Halo LIO-8, SCD-XA5400ES, Aqvox USB2 D/A MKII Dac, Sony SCD-333ES, Audio Logic 24mxl DAC, Apple Mac Pro w/ Lynx Studio AES16e, Mac Mini, Amarra and Pure Vinyl. PurePower 2000AC regenerator. JL Audio F113x2

Hi,Joe
Hope all goes well in your setup.

RCA terminated interconnects(Wireworld Silver Eclipse 6)(both pairs 1 meter) and long speaker cables(5 meters Neotech NES-3001 Speaker cable).

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Hi RodWelst,

My speaker manufacturer prefers shorter IC's and longer speaker cables. I guess he assumes non-balanced components. I'm not worried anymore about where I place my gear. I need to measure from where the preamp is relative to the amps. I'm sure some studios use miles of cheap cable when they make their recordings. 1-2 meters on my end is no big deal. Thanks for all the input everyone.


Joe

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Speakers: TAD CR-1's , Klipsch Cornwall III's, JBL 4312D. Amps: Conrad-Johnson MV-60, Burmester 911 MK3. Preamps: Burmester 099 dac/preamp, Burmester 077 w/ external power supply and 035. Electronics: Metric Halo LIO-8, SCD-XA5400ES, Aqvox USB2 D/A MKII Dac, Sony SCD-333ES, Audio Logic 24mxl DAC, Apple Mac Pro w/ Lynx Studio AES16e, Mac Mini, Amarra and Pure Vinyl. PurePower 2000AC regenerator. JL Audio F113x2

In my 2 channel I have a pair of 1M and 1.5M XLR with 5M speaker cables. In the HT 1M and 1.5M RCA with 5M speaker front, 2M center and 30M to the rears.

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AV2.1: Panasonic TC-P50V10 Denon PMA-A100 Peachtree iDac Apple iPod Classic Dish VIP722k DVR Marantz BD8002 DVD Magnepan MG1 (IMP) Martin Logan Depth SW

There is one (there may be more, but this one I know about) speaker cable that is very effective for long (maybe even very long) runs.

This is the OCOS cable, a constant impedance cable.

I used three 35 foot lengths of OCOS cable per channel, running through a conduit under the floor with exceptionally good results. I was driving a pair of Genesis 200 speakers (huge things - pictured below) and the OCOS performed extremely well. I still have the cables in a box somewhere.

According to the information presented by the USA distributor:

"OCOS cable maintains a constant impedance, no matter how long the run. OCOS is in fact the first and only loudspeaker cable with absolute constant impedance throughout the entire frequency range, matching that of a normal loudspeaker.The benefit being that the amplifier “sees” the speakers directly, as the cables are truly transparent sonically. A further benefit of OCOS’s constant impedance is that there is no drop-off in performance with varied lengths of cable, and even with long lengths (up to 100 meters)"

I have tried it and I liked it!!!! Any number of reviews have confirmed the effectiveness of this cable in situations where long runs of speaker wire are indicated.

This cable is a product of the speaker manufacturer Dynaudio and was distributed in the US by Sumiko. When I Googled OCOS it appears that there may be a new distributor, but the cable remains a viable product for the type situations I've described.

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MAIN SYSTEM: Avalon Eidolons and/or Audio Physic Caldera III Loudspeakers, Spectral DMC 30SL Preamp, Spectral DMA 250 Amp, Spectral/MIT interconnects and speaker cable, STAX SR-404 Signature Electrostatic Headphones, STAX SRM-727 Headphone Amp, Basis Debut V Vacuum turntable, Walker Precision Speed Controller, Graham tonearm, Graham Nightingale II Cartridge, PASS - X-ono Phono Stage, Esoteric Modified-X03 CD/SACD Player, Exact Power EP-15A & SP-15A power regeneration and conditioning devices. Symposium Acoustics Svelte pads & RollerBlock Jr's under speakers. ASC Tube Traps, Arcici Suspense Rack System


UPSTAIRS SYSTEM: Sonus Faber Guarneri Memento Speakers, JL Audio F112 Sub, McIntosh MA7000 Integrated Amplifier, McIntosh MVP871 Universal Disc Player, OPPO BDP-95 Blu-Ray Player, VPI Scoutmaster with periphery ring clamp, VPI SDS Motor Drive, Koetsu Pro IV cartridge, Mark Levinson No. 25s phono stage, Wadia 170i Transport with a Meridian Bitstream 203 DAC, VPI HW-17 Pro Record Cleaning Machine, Five Richard Gray RGPC 400 devices scattered around in the two systems, Arcici Suspense Rack System, Discovery Essence and Essential Cables, 14,000 ± LPs .

Julian
Seems like you have the new speaker itch too. Those Genesis look like they were pretty interesting.

Jim

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Pre Amp: Mcintosh C-1000 & C-1000P
Sources: McIntosh MCD-1100 & MS-300, Olive 4HD, SonoS, Pro-Ject 6 PerspeX
Speakers: MBL 111F
Cables: Transparent Ultra MM2 & Reference MM2 & Powerlink MM2x

The Genesis 200's were absolutely and totally absorbing. The room pictured was 30' wide X 45' deep, and the speakers fully energized the room.

Unfortunately, I sold the house, and sold the speakers - the next house didn't have a room that accommodated these large 4 box speakers. The slender boxes to the outside were the woofers and the wider, inside boxes were the tweeter/midrange.

They did sound good, and, yes, I have traded speakers often. At last count, I've owned over 60 different pairs. (Maybe I'm an older Serge)

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MAIN SYSTEM: Avalon Eidolons and/or Audio Physic Caldera III Loudspeakers, Spectral DMC 30SL Preamp, Spectral DMA 250 Amp, Spectral/MIT interconnects and speaker cable, STAX SR-404 Signature Electrostatic Headphones, STAX SRM-727 Headphone Amp, Basis Debut V Vacuum turntable, Walker Precision Speed Controller, Graham tonearm, Graham Nightingale II Cartridge, PASS - X-ono Phono Stage, Esoteric Modified-X03 CD/SACD Player, Exact Power EP-15A & SP-15A power regeneration and conditioning devices. Symposium Acoustics Svelte pads & RollerBlock Jr's under speakers. ASC Tube Traps, Arcici Suspense Rack System


UPSTAIRS SYSTEM: Sonus Faber Guarneri Memento Speakers, JL Audio F112 Sub, McIntosh MA7000 Integrated Amplifier, McIntosh MVP871 Universal Disc Player, OPPO BDP-95 Blu-Ray Player, VPI Scoutmaster with periphery ring clamp, VPI SDS Motor Drive, Koetsu Pro IV cartridge, Mark Levinson No. 25s phono stage, Wadia 170i Transport with a Meridian Bitstream 203 DAC, VPI HW-17 Pro Record Cleaning Machine, Five Richard Gray RGPC 400 devices scattered around in the two systems, Arcici Suspense Rack System, Discovery Essence and Essential Cables, 14,000 ± LPs .

You use the same term I used after auditioning the MBL 101 Xtremes in Singapore, "energized the room." That was the only time I have listened to a speaker system when the music did not sound like it was coming from speakers or a wall of sound in front of me. Instead as you noted the entire room was energized with sound. A musical epiphany.

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AMP's: D'Agostino Momentum's
Pre Amp: Mcintosh C-1000 & C-1000P
Sources: McIntosh MCD-1100 & MS-300, Olive 4HD, SonoS, Pro-Ject 6 PerspeX
Speakers: MBL 111F
Cables: Transparent Ultra MM2 & Reference MM2 & Powerlink MM2x

I would love to have the opportunity to just look at the MBL 101 Xtremes - Don't even have to hear them - They must be extraordinary, as are all MBL speakers.

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MAIN SYSTEM: Avalon Eidolons and/or Audio Physic Caldera III Loudspeakers, Spectral DMC 30SL Preamp, Spectral DMA 250 Amp, Spectral/MIT interconnects and speaker cable, STAX SR-404 Signature Electrostatic Headphones, STAX SRM-727 Headphone Amp, Basis Debut V Vacuum turntable, Walker Precision Speed Controller, Graham tonearm, Graham Nightingale II Cartridge, PASS - X-ono Phono Stage, Esoteric Modified-X03 CD/SACD Player, Exact Power EP-15A & SP-15A power regeneration and conditioning devices. Symposium Acoustics Svelte pads & RollerBlock Jr's under speakers. ASC Tube Traps, Arcici Suspense Rack System


UPSTAIRS SYSTEM: Sonus Faber Guarneri Memento Speakers, JL Audio F112 Sub, McIntosh MA7000 Integrated Amplifier, McIntosh MVP871 Universal Disc Player, OPPO BDP-95 Blu-Ray Player, VPI Scoutmaster with periphery ring clamp, VPI SDS Motor Drive, Koetsu Pro IV cartridge, Mark Levinson No. 25s phono stage, Wadia 170i Transport with a Meridian Bitstream 203 DAC, VPI HW-17 Pro Record Cleaning Machine, Five Richard Gray RGPC 400 devices scattered around in the two systems, Arcici Suspense Rack System, Discovery Essence and Essential Cables, 14,000 ± LPs .

One can always go Transparent and they custom tune the network boxes to your gear/speakers and cable length to keep impedance mismatch and reflections at bay.