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Old 04-18-2012, 09:57 PM
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Doesn't the VPI 16.5 have a forward and reverse?
the VPI 16.5 only has one direction. I think the VPI 17 and 27 have dual directions.

Ivan, the VPI HW-16.5 and the Okki Nokki are the two contenders in the under $1K. I have had no issue with my VPI 16.5 but I am sure the Okki Nokki is just as good.
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Old 04-18-2012, 10:16 PM
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The Okki Nokki looks nice, but why would one need it to go in reverse? The 16.5 does not have that feature.
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The Okki Nokki looks nice, but why would one need it to go in reverse? The 16.5 does not have that feature.

By reversing the motor at the end of the vacuum cycle, you avoid the fluid line that occurs from single direction motors

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"The Okki Nokki RCM is an exceptionally well-designed device created specifically for cleaning all vinyl recordings. The Okki Nokki is a quality product made in Germany and consists of a heavy-duty motor/turntable and vacuum system encased in a compact aluminum chassis. The motor function provides for ultra-quiet forward and reverse operation. When used with the supplied goat hair cleaning brush, the forward/reverse turntable motion allows for extremely effective groove scrubbing. Once cleaned, the record can be vacuumed using the aluminum suction arm. The residual dirt and fluid is then removed by suction and transferred into the internal liquid reservoir, which has a sensor that will shut off the machine when full. Dedicated suction arms for use with 7” and 10” records are available as an option. Accessories supplied with the machine include a standard 12” LP suction arm, goat hair cleaning brush, record clamp, grounded detachable AC cord and a small bottle of cleaning fluid concentrate that requires mixing with a liter of purified water (available from a pharmacy) – not recommended for shellac or acetate recordings. An acrylic dustcover is available at time of purchase or as an optional accessory. "

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By reversing the motor at the end of the vacuum cycle, you avoid the fluid line that occurs from single direction motors
Sounds good, but honestly I've never seen a fluid line. When my cleaner stops the lp looks perfect.
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Sounds good, but honestly I've never seen a fluid line. When my cleaner stops the lp looks perfect.
Never seen a one way machine under $1k that didn't, including the industry standard that we used for years before becoming the Okki Nokki importer.
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Never seen a one way machine under $1k that didn't, including the industry standard that we used for years before becoming the Okki Nokki importer.
Guess I better look a little closer. Thanks Bill!
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I have an Okki Nokki, my second, and am very happy with it. Not a Loricraft but not $3000 either - the $2500 change from the ON buys you alot of records....
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Never seen a one way machine under $1k that didn't, including the industry standard that we used for years before becoming the Okki Nokki importer.
I too have never noticed this line of fluid you speak of with my VPI 16.5 RCM, which has been in use for 3-1/2 years now.

At the end of vacuuming, which I do two complete revolutions to be safe, the Wand's protective velvet strips are virtually dry.

I have noted on extremely close inspection immediately after fluid removal, an ultra fine sparse "mist" upon the record, which disappears before your eyes in a matter of just a few short seconds. I see no residue left behind with this final rinse step, perhaps due to the very high purity rinse waters (AIVS) I use.

I'm not sure about the Okki Nokki, or the other machines coming out of the Clearaudio factory, but none of the VPI Machines will "vacuum" in both directions. One direction only, and this is due to the swing away design of the Vacuum Wand. I take it the Okki Nokki Wand locks into a stationary, immoveable position from the vids I've seen.

Nothing is perfect, whether it is the VPI 16.5, or the Loricraft-Keith Monks, Hannls, Clearaudios. hey all have their plusses, and minuses. Whatever shortcomings they all seem to somehow inherit by design, those can be lessened with careful logical technique, and high quality cleaning products and rinse waters.

It is why it is always paramount to use a final high purity water rinse as a final step.

This aids the removal of possible remaining residues, and with a very high purity water, this helps insure no sonic ill effects are left behind.
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Old 04-19-2012, 12:10 PM
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By reversing the motor at the end of the vacuum cycle, you avoid the fluid line that occurs from single direction motors
Hmmm...I've had my VPI 16.5, (originally a 16, upgraded to 16.5) since 1980. I have cleaned thousands and thousands and thousands of records and have never seen this "fluid line". I was also a VPI dealer for many years and never had any complaints or issues about this.

Maybe since I live in the Rockies, at high altitude, this isn't a problem.
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Ivan,
The VPI HW-16.5 has always done a fine job for me. MSRP 540.00 ish

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