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Old 04-07-2012, 01:45 AM
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mdkim - Welcome to Audio Aficionado!

Dan - You are a fantastic writer. I have no idea what profession you were in before retirement, but based on your posts on AA, you may very well have missed your calling. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us.

mdkim - I highly recommend you research Dan's posts. His wisdom is worth far more than the time you put into it and will prove extremely helpful in your audio journey.

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Dan:

Thanks for the reply. And yes, you have my gear right.

I will admit that patience is something I've always lacked and will heed your advice on giving the equipment more time. For what it's worth, everything is/was always on 24/7 but, yes, the madness has to end somewhere.

With only 72 hrs or so on the C2300 I just know I'm not hearing things as clearly as before. The pressing of pedals on a piano track or the breathing of a cellist/violinist. I'm hoping that the detail will slowly reveal itself over the next month or two - especially when I take delivery of my new speakers. Again I do feel the tone is better, just a little haze from the lower mid on down.

I am using a hodgepodge of cables at the moment so I will definitely look into WW when the time comes to fine tune everything. Will they, in your opinion, speed things up a bit in presentation?
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Old 04-07-2012, 01:46 AM
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Welcome to AA mdkim !

First, I must say that as always Dan's advices are gold : you have to "acclimate to the gear".
Not only the gear breaks in, but your ears too ! they learn the sound of your system progressively and break in to it.
give some time before switching the C2300.

But let me tell you one thing : I have listened side by side to the LS17 and the C2300 with stock tubes.
Both preamps were used to power either ARC REF 250's or Accuphase A65.
To my ears, the LS17 smoked the C2300 with those amps at a point were I could not imagine that better tubes could do something to it.
But the real question is : would this be the same if one would compare the LS17 and the C2300 with a Mc power amp ? not sure, because synergy is very important when it comes to evaluating a preamp. Were those amps ( ARC 250 and Accuphase A65 ) a good match for the C2300 ??
The only way to discover would be to listen to the LS17 and the 2300 in your system side by side with the 601's and see which one you prefer.
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Jerome, Terry, Joe, thanks for your advice. I will take everything to heart.
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Jerome, Terry, Joe, thanks for your advice. I will take everything to heart.
Patience grasshopper. Keep in mind if you are getting new speakers again, the clock starts all over again.
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Hello mdkim,

I would agree that things need time to settle in before you make more changes. And as to cabling, I think the same will apply there. If you bring in new cables (regardless of brand), they'll need to break in as well. Perhaps you can do this incrementally rather than all at once, to get a better handle on the changes (positive or negative) in your system. For me, the biggest changes with cables occur at the back end of the system (preamp to power amp, or speaker cable).

The other thing I notice is that you sound like me somewhat, based on your initial post. When I get into a "research" mode, meaning I'm exploring a possible purchase (as I am now), I can get too focused or impatient and speed everything up if I'm not careful. The desire for a new equipment rack is also turning into the hunt for a preamp upgrade, with the info flying fast and furious. This is where mistakes are made; I've made them before in my haste to resolve whatever issue or reach whatever goal I was after. My hunt for a new rack is a case in point, as back in 2008 I'd bought a nice new Pioneer Kuro TV and needed to get a stand for it. Following frantic research according to my preferences (not necessarily what would work best) I ended up with a nice piece of furniture, but because I wanted to get a rack ASAP so I could get my TV delivered and enjoy it I chose poorly; the stand (A Hooker console) is not friendly to the type of equipment I have and it's very awkward to access the rear of components, which led to other expenditures, and so on.

So give yourself and your equipment time to settle in before going after anything else, even cables. And if you can, arrange to listen to gear in your system before you buy.
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I am using a hodgepodge of cables at the moment so I will definitely look into WW when the time comes to fine tune everything. Will they, in your opinion, speed things up a bit in presentation?
Welcome M........

Just remember your system can only sound as good as its weakest link and your "hodgepodge of cables" could be the problem. Cables are sometimes just as important as components and many people consider cables components. The better ones system is the more of a need for high quality cables. Using one manufacture of cables throughout your system is also important. One reason many people on AA recommend WW Silver cables is because they help bring out the details of McIntosh equipment. Perfect synergy......that's the ticket!

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Dan...well said

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mdkim... Welcome To AA!!!




Dan... Great post as usual, very informative. Hey guys would seeing a picture of his room with speaker placement help?
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Welcome mdkim

Great post.

First, do not try and compare the sound of gear at your dealer versus what you hear at home. Ask to audition the gear in your room. You will probably find that is sounds very different.
Second, as other have noted. Give yourself some time to let the gear break in and make sure you are moving your speakers around to insure they are located properly.
Third, what about room treatments?
Fourth, this hobby can drive us all nuts. There are days when I think it cannot get any better. Then there is the problem of wanting to swap gear just because we can.

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