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Old 04-22-2012, 09:48 PM
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Cool Inside Sound Vs Outside sound and treatment help

OK so today I decided to play around some with the nice weather and placed a pair of my 3 way towers on the back deck. Ugg they are massive and heavy

Outside I have it wired to my MX150 and MCD452 amp, and I normally use a Parasound amp connected to the mx150 that has 4 speaker settings 2 for upstairs and 2 for outside but today did some wire swapping. And the wiring in the walls is connected to all the gear that is in the basement.

The basement is fully finished thick pile carpets etc. 8 foot ceiling some pictures etc on the walls and no treatments. Room is NOT a echo box like it was before the carpet 6 years ago when I built it. I would say it is warm and a little on the live side, not to live and not to dead, but seems to me a little constrained and maybe in need of some treaments of sorts, maybe on the rear walls to give it more time delay or something?

I have my deck wired with your basic run of the mill decent not great 12 gauge speaker wire for my normal 8" 3 ways that play tunes for the back fenced in part of the yard when we cook out, drink, chill on the deck etc.


So here is my main observation and a few points of sound features that differ from inside the listening room.

1 out side has much better imaging
2 the tweeters are not brighter, but seem to carry in the air better and hang in space
3 you get of course the natural echo / mild reverb effect when outside.
all this on basic speaker wire only monster cable CL3 12 in wall type.
4 Drum sections seem to have that open carry kick drum sound and less dull and are faster and tighter in the feel of the sound
5 Mids, well that is always the biggest diff from live to studio, they just sound like they are outside to me, the voices have thout typical oudoor sound in the mids.

I kind of really like it, that being the overall sound. The open feel is amazing, reminds you of a concert even sitting only 16 feet feet away you get the sense of the space and not 40 feet, at 30 + it really goes to the next level sounding live.

So not that I want to make the indoors the same as the outdoors, but what acoustic treatments can be done to inside to open up the space and make it feel more outdoors and open in terms on the separation, imaging etc.

Seems to me that even though my room is 22 feet by 34 feet and the area I have the gear and the listening couch in is about a 20x 22 foot section of that space, it just seems rather tight and closed in. The reaming depth of the room is behind my listening position.

Again, it sounds great inside, but again with all the power speakers etc I have it only seems to exhibit the open and better imaging at lower volumes. The room gets small in a hurry to me.

Some other notes.
In the listening room the front main speakers are about 14 feet apart, my sofa is about 14 feet away, and I have 2 custom large subs that are driven with 2 601s and one is on each side of the sofa. The bass is amazing and to me spot on.

I wont go into the surround and other 6 speakers, they are not part of this test and what I am looking to gain in the 2 ch mode.

My gear outside to me sounds outside and somewhat like a live concert, much better though, not the typical PA outdoors big concert sound.


So I would like some feedback on what others on this topic, or own system have changed and or tested, or how you would characterize your sound of your system, and maybe what steps can be done to make he inside better? Well in terms of imaging and separation etc. I dont want outdoors, just better staging, imaging, sense of space, imaging etc. And I would say the issues are mainly in the top end and mid ranges that need the tweaking

PS the outside of the house is a cedar wood siding and a redwood deck for reflective properties.


My gut tells me with well over $200K of gear and as good as all the stuff I own is, and I get some great feedback from those that have heard the system. I just think my system, and to that point most of our systems have the bulk of all our investment put into the gear and not the room.

When I worked in my teen years, back when Edison created electricity the studios had a lot.... I mean a boat load of stuff done to the ceilings, walls, etc for the sound treatments.

Without getting a PRO into my house and having dozens of panels, traps etc. to place by trial by fire, where do you even begin to start
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Dave's Cave main Basement system
MX150 control center, (3)McIntosh 601 mono block amps, (1)7270 McIntosh amp driving rears in 7.1 (1)Halo A23 amp for side surround, & (1)452 McIntosh amp for main towers part of a bi-amp setup with 601's, Esoteric K-03 JL F212 sub all glued together with mostly all WireWorld cables.

Headphone Rig
Sennheiser hd 800 & Sennheiser hd 700 cans, Woo Audio WA-6SE with Sophia Princess & matched pair of 6GL7/6EM tubes

Streaming Dac Gear
includes K03, high-end custom built Toshiba core i7 16 gigs wireworld silver cable, Itouch driving media center for full remote control anywhere on property and even via web to have music on when I get home Also can remote controll MX150 via web too.

Also
For living room and outside rear deck is connected to MX150 with (1)Parasound 5250 amp. Oppo 95 , Sony ES777, (2)PPPs,

Speaker system
Builder of custom very high end Dynaudio's 2 Main towers, 1 super tweeter dynaudio built system above each tower, 4 surrounds all Dynaudio Esoteric drivers 6.5 mids, esoteric dome tweeters, 2 rear surrounds, and a custom 5 speaker 2 7" drivers, 2 3" domes, and a d21 tweeter in the center channel to compliment my 2 300lb custom subs and a JL F212

Misc Build Features
AC Power Electrical overview is 4 20 amp 120 circuits all 10-3 wiring extra shielding with walls custom modded with cross bracing 2x6s over a 14" thick concrete with R19 and weather barrier
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Old 04-22-2012, 10:30 PM
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Old 04-22-2012, 10:38 PM
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Yes that is it Ivan it is like the entire bottle size wine Venturi but I need it for the room to open the room like the wine
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Dave's Cave main Basement system
MX150 control center, (3)McIntosh 601 mono block amps, (1)7270 McIntosh amp driving rears in 7.1 (1)Halo A23 amp for side surround, & (1)452 McIntosh amp for main towers part of a bi-amp setup with 601's, Esoteric K-03 JL F212 sub all glued together with mostly all WireWorld cables.

Headphone Rig
Sennheiser hd 800 & Sennheiser hd 700 cans, Woo Audio WA-6SE with Sophia Princess & matched pair of 6GL7/6EM tubes

Streaming Dac Gear
includes K03, high-end custom built Toshiba core i7 16 gigs wireworld silver cable, Itouch driving media center for full remote control anywhere on property and even via web to have music on when I get home Also can remote controll MX150 via web too.

Also
For living room and outside rear deck is connected to MX150 with (1)Parasound 5250 amp. Oppo 95 , Sony ES777, (2)PPPs,

Speaker system
Builder of custom very high end Dynaudio's 2 Main towers, 1 super tweeter dynaudio built system above each tower, 4 surrounds all Dynaudio Esoteric drivers 6.5 mids, esoteric dome tweeters, 2 rear surrounds, and a custom 5 speaker 2 7" drivers, 2 3" domes, and a d21 tweeter in the center channel to compliment my 2 300lb custom subs and a JL F212

Misc Build Features
AC Power Electrical overview is 4 20 amp 120 circuits all 10-3 wiring extra shielding with walls custom modded with cross bracing 2x6s over a 14" thick concrete with R19 and weather barrier
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Old 04-22-2012, 10:42 PM
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MX136, C15, MC162(2) MC402, MC1.2KW(12) MC2KW(2) MR85, MS300(2) MCD301, MCD1100, MS750(2) MVP881, MDA1000, C1000C/P/T, MPC1500, HT-2 SUBS(2) HT3F(2) WS350(2) XRT2K, XCS2K, XR27(2) XCS350(2) OLIVE 04HD, PS AUDIO PPP(8) PUREPOWER 2000(4) RGPC 1200(20) RGPC POLE PIG(4) JL GOTHAM SUBS(2) SONOS ZP90-W4S MOD, LUMAGEN RADIANCE SCALER, SONY VPH-G90U PROJECTOR, SVS SCISSOR LIFT, STEWART STUDIOTEK 120" MOTORIZED SCREEN, ASC ACOUSTIC PANELS & BASS TRAPS, CINEMA-TECH SEATING, FURUTECH FLUX-50, STILLPOINTS, WIREWORLD PLATINUM STARLIGHT HDMI, GOLD ECLIPSE CABLES & SILVER ELECTRA PC'S
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Reference System: ACCUPHASE A200 MONOBLOCKS(2), C3800 PRE-AMP, DP900 CD/SACD PRECISION TRANSPORT, DC901 PRECISION DIGITAL PROCESSOR, DG-58 DIGITAL VOICING EQUALIZER, T-1100 FM STEREO TUNER, PS520 POWER SUPPLY, SONOS ZP90-W4S MOD, OLIVE 02M, HRS-SXR CUSTOM 4V-4V RACK w/ M3X 1921 SHELVES, TAD REFERENCE ONE MK2 LOUDSPEAKERS, STILLPOINTS, FURUTECH FLUX-50, WIREWORLD PLATINUM CABLES & PLATINUM ELECTRA PC'S
http://www.audioaficionado.org/attac...m-dsc_0327.jpg - - - http://www.audioaficionado.org/attac...1&d=1412109965
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MX150, MC501(2) MC1.2KW(10) MC2301(2) MR88, MS750(3) MVP881, MCD1100, MDA1000, C1000C/P/T, MPC1500, HT3F(2) XRT2K, XCS2K, XR27(2) OPPO-BDP95, OLIVE 02M, PS AUDIO PPP(8) PUREPOWER 1050(4) RGPC 1200(15) JL GOTHAM SUBS(2) JL FATHOM F113 SUBS(4) SOUND ANCHOR SUB STANDS(2) LUMAGEN RADIANCE SCALER, SONY VPH-G90U PROJECTOR, STEWART STUDIOTEK 120" SCREEN, SONUS FABER STRADIVARI, SONOS ZP90-W4S MOD, OLIVE 02M, ASC ACOUSTIC PANELS & BASS TRAPS, FORTRESS SEATING, FURUTECH FLUX-50, STILLPOINTS, WIREWORLD PLATINUM ECLIPSE CABLES & PLATINUM ELECTRA PC'S.
http://www.audioaficionado.org/attac...0&d=1327845807 - - - http://www.audioaficionado.org/attac...d-dsc_3310.jpg
http://www.audioaficionado.org/attac...d-dsc_5267.jpg - - - http://www.audioaficionado.org/membe...re2413-now.jpg
Analog Rig: CLEARAUDIO INNOVATION WOOD w/ OUTER RING & CLAMP, UNIVERSAL ARM w/ Da VINCI' CART, 2nd UNIVERSAL ARM w/ GOLDFINGER STATEMENT CART, KLAUDIO RCM, HRS-MXR REFERENCE 4V RACK-GLOSS BLACK w/ M3X 1921 SHELVES, AESTHETIX RHEA SIG PHONO-PRE, PS AUDIO PPP, RGPC 1200, WIREWORLD PLATINUM ECLIPSE CABLES & SILVER ELECTRA PC'S
http://www.audioaficionado.org/attac...e-dsc_2528.jpg - - - http://www.audioaficionado.org/attac...d-dsc_3313.jpg
Game Room: BRYSTON BP-26 PRE-AMP, BDA-2 DAC, BDP-2 MEDIA PLAYER, BCD-1 CD PLAYER, MPS-2 POWER SUPPLY, 28B-SST^2 MONOBLOCKS, ESOTERIC K-01 CD/SACD PLAYER, MAGNUM DYNALAB MD-105T TUNER, SONOS ZP90-W4S MOD, OLIVE 04HD, CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSAL BR PLAYER, KRELL KID DOCK, RGPC 1200(4) PS AUDIO PPP(2) TAD REFERENCE ONE MK2 LOUDSPEAKERS, CLEARAUDIO INNOVATION WOOD TT w/ TT2 ARM, FURUTECH FLUX-50, STILLPOINTS, WIREWORLD SILVER ECLIPSE CABLES & SILVER ELECTRA PC'S
http://www.audioaficionado.org/attac...n-dsc_5175.jpg - - - http://www.audioaficionado.org/attac...ally-image.jpg
Reference System: BURMESTER 911MK3 AMP(3), 088 PRE-AMP, 089 CD PLAYER, 100 PHONO PRE-AMP LOADED, 948 POWER CONDITIONER, AVID ACUTUS REFERENCE SP TT, GRAHAM PHANTOM II SUPREME ARM, BENZ MICRO LP-S CART, ESOTERIC K-01X CD/SACD PLAYER, ESOTERIC G-01 RUBIDIUM MASTER CLOCK, HRS-SXR CUSTOM 2V-3V-2V RACK w/ M3X 1921 SHELVES, STILLPOINTS, SONUS FABER AIDA SPEAKERS IN RED VIOLIN FINISH, JL FATHOM F113(2) SOUND ANCHOR SUB STANDS(2) ASC ACOUSTIC PANELS & BASS TRAPS, GIK PICTURE PANELS, FURUTECH FLUX-50, PS AUDIO P10, STILLPOINTS, WIREWORLD PLATINUM CABLES & PLATINUM ELECTRA PC'S

http://www.audioaficionado.org/membe...2236-image.jpg - - - http://www.audioaficionado.org/attac...r-dsc_5448.jpg
Library System: ALL ESOTERIC SYSTEM A-02 AMP, C-03 PRE-AMP, K-03 CD/SACD PLAYER, E-03 PHONO-PRE, OLIVE 04HD, SONOS ZP90-W4S MOD, AERIAL ACOUSTICS 20T V2 IN SANTOS ROSEWOOD, AERIAL SW12 SUBS IN SANTOS ROSEWOOD w/ BASES(2), VPI HRX TT w/ ORTOFON CADENZA BLACK CART, FURUTECH SILVER ARROWS PHONO CABLE, KLAUDIO RCM, BRYSTON BIT-15(2) RGPC 1200(2) STEVE BLINN COMPLETE CUSTOM RACK, ASC STUDIO TRAPS, FURUTECH FLUX-50, WIREWORLD SILVER ECLIPSE IC'S & SILVER ELECTRA PC'S
http://www.audioaficionado.org/attac...g-dsc_4145.jpg - - - http://www.audioaficionado.org/attac...g-dsc_4143.jpg

Vintage System: JBL L300 LOUDSPEAKERS, ACCUPHASE E-460 INTEGRATED AMP, DP-550 CD/SACD/DAC, T-1100 FM STEREO TUNER, OLIVE 04HD, BRYSTON BIT-15, AERIAL 7T GLOSS CHERRY SPEAKERS, TAD CR-1 MK2 SPEAKERS, JL FATHOM F212, TEAC UD-501 DAC, SONOS ZP90-W4S MOD, WIREWORLD SILVER ECLIPSE IC'S & PLATINUM ELECTRA PC'S
http://www.audioaficionado.org/attac...y-dsc_4172.jpg - - - http://www.audioaficionado.org/attac...d-dsc_5210.jpg
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Old 04-23-2012, 09:21 AM
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Ivan do you have anyone you call point me to to call, or maybe Dan has a contact of a person that can help me get into the room treatment fixes?

thanks guys
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Dave's Cave main Basement system
MX150 control center, (3)McIntosh 601 mono block amps, (1)7270 McIntosh amp driving rears in 7.1 (1)Halo A23 amp for side surround, & (1)452 McIntosh amp for main towers part of a bi-amp setup with 601's, Esoteric K-03 JL F212 sub all glued together with mostly all WireWorld cables.

Headphone Rig
Sennheiser hd 800 & Sennheiser hd 700 cans, Woo Audio WA-6SE with Sophia Princess & matched pair of 6GL7/6EM tubes

Streaming Dac Gear
includes K03, high-end custom built Toshiba core i7 16 gigs wireworld silver cable, Itouch driving media center for full remote control anywhere on property and even via web to have music on when I get home Also can remote controll MX150 via web too.

Also
For living room and outside rear deck is connected to MX150 with (1)Parasound 5250 amp. Oppo 95 , Sony ES777, (2)PPPs,

Speaker system
Builder of custom very high end Dynaudio's 2 Main towers, 1 super tweeter dynaudio built system above each tower, 4 surrounds all Dynaudio Esoteric drivers 6.5 mids, esoteric dome tweeters, 2 rear surrounds, and a custom 5 speaker 2 7" drivers, 2 3" domes, and a d21 tweeter in the center channel to compliment my 2 300lb custom subs and a JL F212

Misc Build Features
AC Power Electrical overview is 4 20 amp 120 circuits all 10-3 wiring extra shielding with walls custom modded with cross bracing 2x6s over a 14" thick concrete with R19 and weather barrier
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Old 04-23-2012, 09:23 AM
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My kind of room treatments!!
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Old 04-23-2012, 11:09 AM
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Are your speakers set up on the 'short' wall? If so, you may want to switch them to the 'long' wall.
my concern about room treatment would be that you don't want to overdamp the room with absorbative treatment, and creating more reflective surfaces is the opposite of making the room walls disappear. Diffusers might do the trick, combined with some science.
You are right, the room is often the biggest factor and the one given the least attention.
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Old 04-23-2012, 08:59 PM
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Is there a go to company to call and talk to a person that is an expert on this?

thank you for the feedback,...

Well they are on the shorter wall, but it is still fairly large, and I can not do to the furniture tv etc move the stuff.
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Dave's Cave main Basement system
MX150 control center, (3)McIntosh 601 mono block amps, (1)7270 McIntosh amp driving rears in 7.1 (1)Halo A23 amp for side surround, & (1)452 McIntosh amp for main towers part of a bi-amp setup with 601's, Esoteric K-03 JL F212 sub all glued together with mostly all WireWorld cables.

Headphone Rig
Sennheiser hd 800 & Sennheiser hd 700 cans, Woo Audio WA-6SE with Sophia Princess & matched pair of 6GL7/6EM tubes

Streaming Dac Gear
includes K03, high-end custom built Toshiba core i7 16 gigs wireworld silver cable, Itouch driving media center for full remote control anywhere on property and even via web to have music on when I get home Also can remote controll MX150 via web too.

Also
For living room and outside rear deck is connected to MX150 with (1)Parasound 5250 amp. Oppo 95 , Sony ES777, (2)PPPs,

Speaker system
Builder of custom very high end Dynaudio's 2 Main towers, 1 super tweeter dynaudio built system above each tower, 4 surrounds all Dynaudio Esoteric drivers 6.5 mids, esoteric dome tweeters, 2 rear surrounds, and a custom 5 speaker 2 7" drivers, 2 3" domes, and a d21 tweeter in the center channel to compliment my 2 300lb custom subs and a JL F212

Misc Build Features
AC Power Electrical overview is 4 20 amp 120 circuits all 10-3 wiring extra shielding with walls custom modded with cross bracing 2x6s over a 14" thick concrete with R19 and weather barrier
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Old 04-23-2012, 11:13 PM
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Is there a go to company to call and talk to a person that is an expert on this?

thank you for the feedback,...

Well they are on the shorter wall, but it is still fairly large, and I can not do to the furniture tv etc move the stuff.
while i'm sure there are others, and travel may factor into the price, I know that Rives Audio does this. Their site shows a fairly modest fee -$1200 to do a consult and design for an existing room. They did one guy's dedicated room- Lavigne is his name, and the room is in many places on the Internet, including on A-gon- but that was a ground up custom job.
Depending on where you live, there may be acoustic consultants near you- I live not far from NYC and i think there are many, given the number of performance spaces, halls, studios, etc. in the Gotham area. (But recognizing that what works for a recording studio isn't necessarily what you need).
Let "us" know what happens, this is interesting to me, since I am planning to move at some point, and will need to start with a new room- my existing room isn't bad, but there are many compromises that I'd like to avoid if I have the choice in a new place (short of building a separate building which is in effect what Lavigne did- and no, I haven't heard his system).
Best
bill hart

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